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Dumbo - Itw Derek Frey (official video)
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Mulderville USA

Dumbo - Itw Derek Frey (official video)

From Disney and visionary director Tim Burton, Dumbo expands on the beloved classic story where differences are celebrated, family is cherished and dreams take flight. Dumbo opens in U.S. theaters on March 29, 2019. Circus owner Max Medici (Danny DeVito) enlists former star Holt Farrier (Colin Farrell) and his children Milly (Nico Parker) and Joe (Finley Hobbins) to care for a newborn elephant whose oversized ears make him a laughingstock in an already struggling circus. But when they discover that Dumbo can fly, the circus makes an incredible comeback, attracting persuasive entrepreneur V.A. Vandevere (Michael Keaton), who recruits the peculiar pachyderm for his newest, larger-than-life entertainment venture, Dreamland. Dumbo soars to new heights alongside a charming and spectacular aerial artist, Colette Marchant (Eva Green), until Holt learns that beneath its shiny veneer, Dreamland is full of dark secrets. The live-action reimagining of Walt Disney’s classic animated tale is directed by Tim Burton (Alice in Wonderland, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory) from a screenplay by Ehren Kruger (Ophelia, Dream House), and produced by Justin Springer (TRON: Legacy), Kruger, Katterli Frauenfelder (Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children, Big Eyes) and Derek Frey (Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children, Frankenweenie). Synopsis: Circus owner Max Medici enlists Holt Farrier to care for a newborn elephant whose oversized ears make him a laughing stock in an already struggling circus. But when Holt's children discover that Dumbo can fly, persuasive entrepreneur V. A. Vandevere and an aerial artist named Colette Marchant swoop in to make the peculiar pachyderm a star. Dumbo Directed by Tim Burton Produced by Justin Springer, Ehren Kruger, Katterli Frauenfelder, Derek Frey Screenplay by Ehren Kruger Based on Disney's Dumbo by Otto Englander, Joe Grant, Dick Huemer and Dumbo by Helen Aberson, Harold Pearl Starring Colin Farrell, Michael Keaton, Danny DeVito, Eva Green, Alan Arkin Music by Danny Elfman Cinematography : Ben Davis Edited by Chris Lebenzon Production company : Walt Disney Pictures, Tim Burton Productions, Infinite Detective, Secret Machine Entertainment Distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures Release date : March 29, 2019 (Source: Wikipedia)
Interview with Filmmaker Derek Frey - West Chester University Arts & Humanities Alumni Speaker Series
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Derek Frey

Interview with Filmmaker Derek Frey - West Chester University Arts & Humanities Alumni Speaker Series

Derek Frey is an eccentric filmmaker with extensive leadership experience producing live-action and animated films for major studios and serving as director, editor, and cinematographer on a number of award-winning independent projects. Frey is currently producing TOTO, an animated feature musical retelling of The Wizard of Oz, for Warner Bros. Derek served as Producer on Dumbo (2019), Executive Producer on Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children (2016), Executive Producer on Big Eyes (2014), Producer of the music video “Here With Me” (2013) for The Killers and Co-Producer of Frankenweenie (2012). Derek also served as Associate Producer on Dark Shadows (2012), Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter (2012), Alice in Wonderland (2010), Sweeney Todd – The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007), Corpse Bride (2005), and Charlie and The Chocolate Factory (2005). Films he has served in a producer capacity have earned over $2.8 billion at the box office. Frey wrote the Frankenweenie-based short film Captain Sparky vs. the Flying Saucers (2013). He also edited the award-winning publication The Art of Tim Burton (2009) and produced the documentary A Conversion with Danny Elfman and Tim Burton. Early in his career, he assisted Burton on Mars Attacks! (1996), Sleepy Hollow (1999), Planet of the Apes (2001), and Big Fish (2003). Frey progressed within multiple positions at Tim Burton Productions encompassing Producer, Executive Producer, and Co-Producer on several Tim Burton films. He has been an integral member of the filmmaking team on an array of projects from initial development and pre-production, through post and release. He has had the pleasure of assembling some of the most renowned talent both in front and behind the camera. Lazer Film Productions is Frey’s personal production banner, known for creating offbeat films and music videos encompassing numerous indie featurettes, shorts, documentaries and music videos. He’s currently completing a dramedy web series The Book Club for Men, with frequent collaborators The Minor Prophets. Frey has directed, produced, cut and shot over 50 projects including the dark comedy Kill The Engine (2017), which achieved 45 awards including Best Comedy and Best Director at the Los Angeles Independent Film Festival Awards. His 2016 Hawaiian horror featurette Green Lake collected 50 awards including Best Short at the Honolulu Film Fest and Best Short, Director, and Cinematography at the NYC Indie Film Awards. Other acclaimed projects include Motel Providence (2014), Sky Blue Collar (2013) and The Ballad of Sandeep (2012) in addition to music videos and documentaries featuring music by Professor T & the East Side Shredders, The Killers, Technical Difficulties, Witching Hour, and The Mars Patrol. He started his career as an Assistant for the Entertainment Industry Development Corporation and Production Assistant on The Faculty (ABC Television). Frey graduated with honors from West Chester University in Pennsylvania and holds a Bachelor of Arts in Communications Studies with a concentration in Journalism. He is also a member of the Producers Guild of America, British Academy of Film and Television Arts, and the American Film Institute.
Award Acceptance for God Came 'Round
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Mroczne Cienie - Fragment Filmu: Sketch to screen
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Warner Bros Polska

Mroczne Cienie - Fragment Filmu: Sketch to screen

W KINACH OD 18 maja 2012 Polub film na Facebooku https://www.facebook.com/MroczneCienie W 1752 r. Joshua i Naomi Collins razem z synem o imieniu Barnabas wyruszyli w rejs z Liverpoolu w Anglii do Ameryki, aby tam zacząć nowe życie. Ale nawet przemierzenie oceanu nie wystarczyło, żeby uwolnić się od tajemniczej klątwy, która prześladowała ich rodzinę. Po dwudziestu latach okazuje się, że Barnabas (Johnny Depp) zawojował cały świat, a z pewnością miasto Collinsport w stanie Maine. Ma właściwie wszystko: posiadłość Collinwood Manor, bogactwo, wpływy i sławę notorycznego podrywacza, do czasu aż popełni straszny błąd - złamie serce Angelique Bouchard (Eva Green). Angelique, czarownica, także w dosłownym znaczeniu tego słowa, skazuje go na los gorszy od śmierci: zmienia go w wampira, a następnie chowa żywcem. Burton reżyseruje i produkuje Dark Shadows według scenariusza autorstwa Setha Grahame-Smitha, opracowanego wspólnie z Johnem Augustem na podstawie serialu telewizyjnego Dana Curtisa. Współproducentami filmu są nagrodzony Oscarem® Richard D. Zanuck (Alicja w Krainie Czarów, Wożąc panią Daisy), który ma na swoim koncie wieloletnią współpracę z Burtonem; zdobywca Oscara® Graham King, (Rango, Infiltracja), kontynuujący współpracę z Deppem; Johnny Depp, Christi Dembrowski oraz David Kennedy. Producentami wykonawczymi są Chris Lebenzon, Nigel Gostelow, Tim Headington i Bruce Berman.
Derek Frey at the Tokyo premiere of DUMBO

A PEEK INSIDE THE LIFE OF PRODUCER DEREK FREY.
Fresh off the making of "Dumbo" Frey tells us his story
by Christine Bunish for Creative Content Wire

June 9, 2019

Derek Frey was born and raised in suburban Philadelphia and has helmed Tim Burton Productions since 2001. He produced Disney’s just-released “Dumbo” and previously executive produced “Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children” and “Big Eyes.” He co-produced “Frankenweenie,” which received an Academy Award nomination for Best Animated Feature, and has a string of other notable productions with Burton. His indie directing credits include the Hawaiian horror featurette “Green Lake,” the dramedy “Motel Providence,” the comedy “Sky Blue Collar” and the moving “The Ballad of Sandeep.”

What was your pathway into this field?


 “I made films in high school and college with friends but never thought it would be possible to do that for a living. I was on a journalism path at West Chester University of Pennsylvania but always passionate about making films. In my junior year of college I had an opportunity to visit LA and fell in love – it revolved around the entertainment industry, a world immersed in things I adored. The next spring break I had an opportunity to visit LA again. I met the head of the film permit office, and he showed me around town and introduced me to executives and producers in film and television. They all gave me different advice, but across the board said I needed to be in LA.

“Immediately after graduation I made the move and worked in the LA film permit office for a time. That led to an interview to be a production assistant on an ABC sitcom, ‘The Faculty,’ shooting on the Paramount Studios lot. I learned the ropes and on the side got a taste of the film world by glimpsing other productions and actors on the lot, including people in Star Trek costumes and makeup eating in the commissary. When ‘The Faculty’ wasn’t renewed, one of the people at ABC Productions had a contact in Tim Burton’s office where there was an opening for a runner.

“I was a fanatic of Tim’s growing up and jumped at the chance for an interview. I started working there on ‘Mars Attacks!’ and now it’s 13 films and 23 years later – where does the time go? It’s been a wonderful and interesting journey.”

What do you feel you learned the most from? “Watching Tim at his craft.


Each project brings its own challenges, and I love observing the way he approaches each one creatively. It’s inspiring to see the energy he brings to every stage of a production. And I’ve been fortunate to work with him in different genres and forms: commercials, music videos, animation, live action, low budgets and high.

“Every project is something personal to Tim, but he also has to be smart about the business side. Tim is very good at navigating through that and working with the major studios. It’s a real testament to his staying power and the level of the projects he continues to work on.”


What do you think people need to succeed in this field? 


“For me it’s been patience but passion, too. I’ve met a lot of people who come into the industry and work on a couple of projects, maybe things don’t happen quickly enough and they give it up or move on to something else. I’ve felt like every project I’ve worked on has added to my skill set and helped me in the future. I learned what to do and what not to do and to take risks: to take jobs that don’t necessarily go where you want to end up but offer an opportunity to learn.

“Passion about the craft and films in general is important, too. You have to feel excited by it.”


What is the project you’re most proud of? 


“That’s a difficult question because every project is special and holds a place in my heart. Right now, I feel very proud of ‘Dumbo,’ a beautiful film with a great message. It was a big, lengthy project. My responsibilities were greater than on previous films, and I’m really happy with the result."


"Dumbo’ was a 1941 Disney classic that meant a lot to people. I really liked the take that screenwriter Ehren Kruger had on this: reimagining the 1941 story then taking it beyond.


Once the world finds out Dumbo can fly, what happens?


Tim has always been a champion for the outsider character, and Dumbo is the original outsider animal in the Disney universe. Tim thought he could bring something unique to that world; he was really the correct choice to do this film. This ‘Dumbo’ fits with the original, it doesn’t try to beat it. It’s almost like a companion to it.”


What is the toughest problem you’ve solved? 


“It wasn’t really a problem but more of a welcoming challenge regarding timing. Eleven years ago we received the script for ‘Big Eyes’ about the artist Margaret Keane, and I felt Tim was the only person to direct it. But he was busy with other projects, so the writers thought maybe they could get it going themselves. Then, in 2013, Tim had an opening between projects, and I raised the subject of ‘Big Eyes’ again. Tim was receptive, and we went into pre-production immediately.

“I’m glad I kept at it – often a project comes down to timing. ‘Big Eyes’ is one of Tim’s smaller films but a really personal one.”

What is the most fun you’ve had on a project? 


“Each film is enjoyable, each one is filled with so much creativity and set in an amazing world [with] interesting characters. I’m fortunate to have been a part of so many.

“It was really fun to be a part of ‘Big Fish’ (2003). We brought everyone down to Montgomery, Alabama and made the movie. It was so dynamic, with different vignettes and stories — every day we had new locations, characters and costumes. ‘Big Fish’ blurred the line between reality and fantasy, and we were living in that world to a degree.”

What is your most indispensable tool? 


“I write down everything and have containers full of notebooks. Nothing works as well as a pen and a notebook to help me stay organized day to day.

“Outside of that, I’d say Tim’s amazing team of people who are all really creative and who help Tim extend his reach. I couldn’t do my job without the team that surrounds Tim and me. They not only help us execute Tim’s vision for his films but also projects like Tim’s touring art exhibit, ‘The World of Tim Burton.’”


What are you currently working on? 


“We just finished ‘Dumbo’ days before its LA premiere, and we’re now involved in supporting it through its release so our minds are still in ‘Dumbo’ mode. Tim will take a bit of a break, but he’s never idle for long. What is next is anyone’s guess!

“Something I’m very eager to complete work on is ‘Conversations with Vincent,’ Tim’s unfinished documentary on Vincent Price. Tim sat down with him about a year before he passed away, soon after he appeared in ‘Edward Scissorhands’ (1990). We have a rough assembly of the documentary, and it’s quite beautiful and moving. I’m exploring how to get this out to the world as we approach the 30th anniversary of ‘Edward Scissorhands.’ I’m hoping Tim will be open to completing it soon.”

What is your passion project? 


“I’ve directed my own short films and music videos and am always looking to develop something of my own on the feature front. Frequent collaborators of mine are The Minor Prophets, a Philadelphia-area comedy troupe; we’ve done a number of award-winning short films. We’re eager to shoot a low-budget, dark comedy this year, ‘Awkward Endeavors.’ We have a funny and cleverly crafted screenplay and now we’re on the hunt for funding.

“I’m also getting some traction on ‘Quiet Fire,’ the story of trumpeter Miles Davis and pianist Bill Evans recording the landmark jazz album ‘Kind of Blue’ in 1959. We have it to the Miles Davis estate now. The story is such a compelling one: how Miles brought a classically-trained white pianist into his jazz group to create something unique and exciting. The film shows how they came together and the collaboration unfolded. I have a passion for jazz and played saxophone back in the day, so the story appeals to my sensibilities.”

How do you pay it forward? 


“A lot of young people are inspired by Tim and look up to him as a champion of the outsider. That’s how I felt as a kid. We’re always receiving letters and email from kids who send their own artwork and videos. Corresponding with them is something we take pride in here. I also do the occasional interview or Skype call with students interested in the entertainment field.

“At each stop Tim’s art exhibit makes he meets with students from that city for a Q&A. In Belgium we visited one of the local art schools where kids had created art loosely based on Tim’s vision. These are the people who will be coming into the film and art worlds bringing their passion and energy. We feel a responsibility to keep those channels open. We’ll get letters from someone completing a Master’s dissertation or someone telling us they made it into the industry because of Tim.”

What is the most valuable lesson you’ve learned? 


“A lot of people come into the industry hoping things will happen overnight. That’s always possible but most likely it will take some time.

“Through the ups and downs it’s important to have a perspective on the bigger picture – look past your current project. You don’t know what could be next. So it’s important to savor the moment, the journeys, the experiences, the failures. It’s all about finding happiness in the process. When you focus too much on a goal, you can destroy the joy of the now.”

Producer Derek Frey with the cast of DUMBO

ADAPTING THE CLASSICS: A FEW MINUTES WITH PRODUCER DEREK FREY TALKING ABOUT DISNEY’S ‘DUMBO’.  By David Voight for In The Seats.

 July 07, 2019

Very often getting insight from behind the scenes of a film feels much more poignant then getting it from in front of the camera…

With Disney’s Dumbo available on Digital, Blu-Ray, 4K and DVD at all major retailers, it is easily the top choice for some summer entertainment in the comfort of your own home.

While we will admit to a little bit of skepticism about Director Tim Burton tackling this classic old tale I was surprised to realize that I simply wasn’t alone.

We got the unique pleasure to speak with Producer Derek Frey about his experiences on the film and how this Disney classic tale managed to also evolve itself into a classic Tim Burton tale as well.

Dave Voigt: You’ve worked with a Tim (Burton) a little bit and the marriage between Tim and Disney is already well documented but Dumbo actually feels like a little bit of stretch.  Can you talk a little on what it was about the Dumbo story in particular that got you both involved?

Derek Frey: Yeah you know when Disney first sent the script through I think that my reaction really was pretty similar to how a lot of people reacted initially but once I read it and got to revisit the original animated film I quickly realized that Dumbo is this story about an outsider, just this misfit with the big ears.  Tim’s entire career really has been about being a champion for these kinds of outsiders.  When you look at characters like Edward Scissorhands or Sweeney Todd in a weird way, these are characters who really don’t have words to them and they play like silent movie actors and the second I saw that they weren’t trying to make Dumbo talk or do anything of that nature I knew that this was something that he would really respond to and ultimately he did.

And that really does add so many layers to it as well and I’m glad that you’ve mentioned the animated version because if memory serves it’s less than 70 minutes long.  How much did you have to sort of balance the spirit of the original with the fact that there was going to be some different and new layers to the story for audiences to experience?

Ehren Kruger the screenwriter gave us this concept of reimagining Dumbo and he brought it to the studio that was initially hesitant but they encouraged him to give it a go, not to mention that Ehren was a huge fan of the original animated film as well.  In this he kind of wanted to answer the question of it all because the first one takes up to the point where Dumbo flies for the first time but he really felt it would be interesting to see what happens after the world finds out that there is this flying elephant.  He really felt he could get audiences through most of the action of the original film and still have plenty of time to go effectively beyond that.  Given the exploitation of the character it all plays out a little bit in a King Kong like fashion, with this wonderful and rare creature being taken away from its natural environment and ultimately exploited.

It’s also visually very layered and this really was one of those films (much like in many of Tim’s films) where the world building is just seamless and you can’t tell the practical from the digital.

I guess that means someone did their job correctly! (Laughs) And here’s the thing, Tim has worked across so many different spectrums of live-action and animation that it can often run together.  Obviously on this shoot, we knew going in that Dumbo would have to be a computer animated character.  However, Tim did want it anchored into a real world at the same time to make for a kind of “heightened reality”.  Ultimately the approach was that while Dumbo has to be CGI we want to make as much as we possibly can around this character be real and practical so that the actors had a real environment to work in and that you could drop into real sets.  On the disc you’ll see in some of the behind the scenes, most of the sets are completely closed in and you’d really only have to insert the sky or to extend some of the sets.  We had that mandate to anchor in reality as much as we could because he really felt that the story had that element of needing something you could really grasp on to.

Obviously it made for a really big challenge, particularly for the animators who handled Dumbo but in concert with Tim everyone involved took extra care to make sure that Dumbo as a character was connected to a real world environment.  Be it through actors physically touching him or something slight like a kick up of dust when he flies by it was so important to make it all feel as grounded and as natural as we could.  I think it really shows and that’s why it’s hard to really see that line between practical and CG.

I have to say that I got such a kick out of seeing Michael Keaton and Danny Devito working with Tim again here on Dumbo.  It almost felt like he wanted to get the old gang back together in order to tell this story.

From the beginning of casting, Tim was always very meticulous in regards to casting because he just knew that the right people for the right roles would make it so much better.  I know for a fact that Tim was excited to work with Michael and Danny again but it was a big deal for people on set as well.  I know that one of my favourite days was when Alan Arkin, Danny Devito, Michael Keaton and Tim Burton were just all on set together.  Even though they hadn’t worked together in years you could see how the shorthand between them all was there and how they easily they slipped into the work is a testament to how much fun they were all having on this shoot as well and I really think it comes through on the screen as well.  The energy is palpable and they we’re all excited about going into fresh territory, particularly between Danny and Michael as Danny finally got to be the good guy and Michael really had fun in the bad guy role.

I’m always very curious, because you’ve also directed short films yourself and obviously have a creative bent to you but as a producer you also have to worry about the nuts and the bolts of it all.  How do you ultimately find a balance between the two; the creative vs. the realities?

Obviously I really do love the creative side of things and I would say that’s what I enjoy more but when you are on a project of this scale you have certain responsibilities as well.  On this one I’d say that I am really fortunate because Tim is a very responsible filmmaker with a team that has some of the best people in this industry.   Trusting them all to come through on their various tasks and Tim is never one to try and make anything more than it should be and then you lose focus, not only behind the camera but in front of it as well.  The term we’d always use is creating a kind of ‘Grand Intimacy’ and from that standpoint I actually think it helped us keep things in line from a budgetary standpoint.  You’re always trying to prepare for contingencies but his department heads are all so great that they made my job pretty easy and for the most part this was a pretty smooth shoot over all…Knock on wood of course (Laughs).


These days in this business we live in such an environment where people just want to remake or reboot already successful properties which can cause some audience trepidation. 


Do you think that for stories like this it really does come down to making sure you match it with the right talent because I can’t see this working as well as it did without Tim at the helm?

Oh I completely agree.  Obviously there are so many of these films being made right now, but there’s also an audience for them as well but it does unquestionably help to take care that you’ve got the right match and we certainly had it here on this one.  Apparently Tim was the first person approached with the script and Tim didn’t hesitate.  Yeah you can have surprises when you’re making stuff and pairing material with talent and even my own initial hesistance is something I feel a lot of people felt…until they saw that first trailer and knew that in style and in tone this was unquestionably going to be a Tim Burton movie that audiences could get behind.  It’s a delicate balance to be sure.

Disney’s Dumbo is available on Digital, Blu-Ray, DVD & 4K from all major retailers now…

Tim Burton & Derek Frey - on the set of Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children

INTERVIEW: DEREK FREY TALKS TIM BURTON, ‘MISS PEREGRINE,’ ‘GREEN LAKE’ by Tim Lammers for Direct Conversations

October 1, 2016

Starting out as Tim Burton’s assistant on the space invasion thriller “Mars Attacks!” in 1996, time has been flying, for the lack of better words, at warp speed for filmmaker Derek Frey.

Having worked on every one of Burton’s films since, Frey quickly rose through the ranks under the iconic film director to the pivotal role of running Tim Burton Productions and serving as the filmmaker’s closest collaborator.

On Burton’s latest, the fantasy adventure “Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children,” Frey once again assumes a key role as one of the film’s executive producers.

“It doesn’t feel like 20 years at all,” Frey said Tuesday in a phone conversation in New York City. “Each project brings a set of new challenges and it’s been great to be near him on this journey through all these wonderful worlds.”

Frey said each year, if not each day, working with Burton brings out a new thing he didn’t know about the director before. In the case of “Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children,” opening in theaters nationwide Friday, the biggest revelation was about making the film with more of a back-to-basics approach.


There’s a reason the cinematic adventure, based on Ransom Riggs’ best-selling 2011 novel, feels like vintage Burton. Just like the old days, the filmmaker is relying as much as he can on practical special effects.

“It feels so fresh and looks so different. There’s so much of it that’s real and practical,” Frey enthused. “We obviously did some computer stuff, but we actually went to these locations and I think it makes a difference, visually. In this day and age, where everything is created virtually, Tim wanted to go against the grain and I think it was a great decision of his. You can sense that there’s something tactile there and there’s something in the room. The brain can just feel it.”  

Frey said that the reason he gets on so well with Burton is that they have the same sort of sensibilities — something that Frey said he knew growing up in Pennsylvania.

“I was a fan of Tim’s well before I started even thinking that working in this industry would be a possibility. Anybody who knew me in high school and college knows that I loved his films and really identified with the characters he created, being a misfit and a little bit of an outsider,” Frey recalled. “I was very fortunate to begin working with him very quickly when I moved to Los Angeles.”

Twenty years later, Frey said he still gets excited by the energy Burton creates, and how quickly the cast and crew of each film pick up on it.

“They see that what he creates is a family, and we’re all energized by his energy,” Frey said. “It’s one of the reasons why I’ve worked with him for so long because he’s maintained that same energy and passion. It’s incredibly inspiring.”  

The great thing is, Frey said, is that Burton’s audiences get to share in the passion, too. His cinematic influence is worldwide, mainly because the films are something audiences can identify with on a personal level. Burton has felt the same emotions of the outsider as his characters have, and “Miss Peregrine” once again projects the feelings that his fans can grasp onto.

“Tim is not really one that follows reviews and critics — he knows it can be mixed bag,” Frey said. “But the people who identify with him, who embrace him films, are the ones who are going to be watching it 10, 20, 30 years from now. They’re going to be the ones dressed up as these character on Halloween, and they’re going to keep it alive.”  

Of course, Frey knows that there are people who don’t identify with Burton’s work, and that’s OK.

“I said to him before, ‘The moment you’re universally accepted, it’s all over.’ He wouldn’t be the outsider anymore,” Frey observed. “As long as he’s the outsider, and he has those people who continue to identify, embrace and value these films, me personally, I’d rather be in that place. Look at pictures of his that didn’t generate a whole lot of interest or box office 20 years ago, yet are now heralded, like ‘Ed Wood.’ I’d take that any day. I would rather watch that film from 1994 than any film that came out within a few years of it.”

Waters of creativity

Admittedly a guy who can’t sit still for too long and is often on the road (fortunately, Frey is married to Leah Gallo, who is Burton’s photographer and author/photographer of “The Art of Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children”), Frey often engages in projects apart from Burton, most notably short films. His latest, the horror thriller “Green Lake,” has dominated the film festival circuit this year with more than 30 honors, and the accolades are still rolling in.

Frey said the opportunity to do films like “Green Lake” (inspired by the Hawaiian lore of the  Mo’o — a female, shape-shifting-type of lizard that used to protect freshwater-based systems in the islands) affords him the opportunity to enjoy the best of both worlds. During his off-time from Burton’s films, he gets to create his own work.  

“I need to be creative. I need to tell stories. I need to create something,” Frey said. “But at the same time I see the pressures that Tim is under — the pressures of the studio and the system and the deadlines and all the big things that come with releasing a big film — and I want to go the complete opposite direction. I want to do something that I have complete control over. It may be a very, very microbudget, but I have complete control over it. It’s kind of like therapeutic in a way.”

“Would I like to do that on a greater level someday? Sure,” Frey added. “But in the meantime, to be able to help Tim with his films and exercise myself by these microbudget films, I’m very happy with that.”

Derek Frey directs Green Lake

Interview with director Derek Frey by Diana Ringo, Indie Cinema Magazine

July 22, 2017

Being a member of the jury of Prague Independent Film Festival I watch a lot of independent films. One film – “Green Lake” impressed our jury by its humor and brilliant music score, but we were very surprised when we later found out that director of this independent production is Derek Frey, one of the most important producers in Hollywood, head of Tim Burton Productions. Apart of his main profession he directs his own independent films and music videos, including the horror short Green Lake, which was screened in over 40 film festivals and collected 47 awards. His newest music video God Came ‘Round will be screened at the Prague Independent Film Festival 2017. Derek Frey is currently producing the upcoming live action version of Dumbo directed by Tim Burton. We decided to interview him to find out more about his passion for independent low budget cinematography and how he combines it with his work on big budget projects.

Diana Ringo: What served as inspiration for your new music video God Came ‘Round?

Derek Frey: Trever Veilleux’s songwriting and poetic lyrics were the inspiration. I’ve been a fan of his music for a while now and this song spoke to me visually. I first collaborated with his band Technical Difficulties in 2001 on a music video for the song Sex is Easier. I listened to an advance copy of his new album Professor T and the East Side Shredders on repeat during a long-haul flight this past April, and God Came ‘Round jumped out instantly as something that could turn into a unique, funny, and touching music video. It’s an incredible album and I look forward to creating more videos to accompany it soon.
Official Facebook Page of Professor T and the Eastside Shredders: https://www.facebook.com/professort.biz Diana Ringo: Tell us about your working relationship with actor Deep Roy; he has acted in God Came ‘Round and also in your short film The Ballad of Sandeep. In an earlier interview you have mentioned the possibility of making a feature film version of The Ballad of Sandeep. Are you still planning it or is there another feature film project in your future?

Derek Frey: It’s always a pleasure to collaborate with Deep. I first met him on the set of Tim Burton’s Planet of the Apes and later worked with him on Big Fish and Corpse Bride. He has an amazing spirit and an inspiring career. His first role was an Italian assassin opposite Peter Sellers in The Pink Panther Strikes Again, and he went on to play roles in Flash Gordon, The Empire Strikes Back, and Star Trek, just to name a few. The Ballad of Sandeep was great fun and was conceived by The Minor Prophets wanting to put a twist on the practice of outsourcing. It also gave Deep a chance to work out of SFX makeup.

I’d still very much love to make a feature film version of Sandeep, which we’re continuing to develop. Deep is eager to reprise the role and The Minor Prophets have created a fantastic screenplay which explores Sandeep’s outsourcing predicaments on a whole new level, and adds some social commentary relevant to today’s ever-changing work environment. We have a website dedicated to the legacy of the award-winning short which also explores the development of the feature: http://www.theballadofsandeep.com

Aside from Sandeep I’ve been developing a project called Quiet Fire, which tells the story of the creative bond between trumpeter Miles Davis and pianist Bill Evans, around the time of recording sessions for the iconic album Kind of Blue. It’s a historical musical journey and also a powerful story of race and addiction.

Also, my collaborations with The Minor Prophets continue. They are in the process of writing a feature screenplay entitled Awkward Endeavors, which we plan on filming in and around the Philadelphia area in 2018.

Diana Ringo: You also have made several short films starring the comedy group The Minor Prophets, how did your collaboration start?

Derek Frey: I was friends with two of The Minor Prophets, Gil Damon and Brian Gillin in middle school. Gil and I were mischievous cohorts in 7th grade.  Fast forward to 2006 when I received an email from Gil who expressed how much he and his children enjoyed Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which I was the Associate Producer on. Gil introduced me to his work in The Minor Prophets. I found their shorts hilarious and extremely unique and thought-provoking. Most of their work is set in my hometown of Upper Darby, Pennsylvania so I felt a deep connection to what they were creating. I expressed interest in collaborating, which led to our first short film together, 4th and 99. It was a rewarding experience, and we brought the film to the Cannes Film Festival in 2007. Kill the Engine, released earlier this year, is our sixth collaboration and is currently having a successful run on the festival circuit.
Link to The Minor Prophets official website: https://www.theminorprophets.com

Diana Ringo: Your films show a good understanding of music, did you ever play any instruments yourself?

Derek Frey: Music was my first creative passion and remains central to everything I do.  I played saxophone in marching band and jazz band throughout high school and into college.  I was also an enormous fan of film music from a young age.  For me, music is an essential component of each project I’m involved with.

Diana Ringo: What was your major in college? How have your films evolved from your university days?

Derek Frey: I studied Communication and Journalism at West Chester University in Pennsylvania. Making films with friends was a hobby throughout my college years. Each semester the projects would grow in complexity and improve through the process of experimenting. I missed out on the party side of college because I would stay in my dorm with friends making films. Those were the best of times! One of our earliest movies, Marooned in our Room, was a comedic survival story which revolved around being trapped in a dorm room during a blizzard.  There were basic themes present in my early work that I’m still drawn to – usually involving comedy, horror and sci-fi.  I’ve always enjoyed a good monster mash-up.  In the final weeks of college my energy was focused on completing work on my college cult opus film Verge of Darkness. The positive reaction to the film fueled my desire to make films for a living. A couple of weeks after graduating college I decided to take a gamble and move to Los Angeles to pursue a job in the entertainment industry.

  Diana Ringo: Your spouse Leah Gallo is a professional photographer who co-wrote the screenplay of Green Lake and has appeared in some of your films.  Can you tell us about her role in your films and how she supports you in your creative endeavors?

Derek Frey: Leah is an extremely talented photographer and writer. Her creativity was one of the characteristics I was attracted to when we first met. We’re drawn to the same things visually which serves as great inspiration. For Green Lake I had a general outline of a story but knew Leah would do a great job writing the screenplay. The story revolves around a strong female character and has many elements of fantasy of which Leah is a fan.  Leah has always been very supportive of my creative endeavors. She remains patient even when projects absorb my time and being, which is often. I’m fortunate because since she is creative herself she is understanding of my obsession with each project.
Leah Gallo’s Official Website:  https://www.leahgallo.com

Diana Ringo: Please tell us about the camera and equipment with which you shoot your films. Films you direct are a good example for young filmmakers, they show that a low budget should not be a barrier for creativity.

Derek Frey: I’ve built up my kit over the years. God Came ‘Round was shot on a Panasonic GH5 (4k) with Zeiss Compact Prime Lenses. The lenses are what really makes the difference in quality. It’s amazing how much the technology has leapt forward in even just the past five years. Being able to shoot in such high quality with a minimal kit has been a godsend to my process. Working on both large budget features and micro-budget shorts and music videos keeps me balanced and grounded.

  Diana Ringo: Which film have you watched the most times in your life?

Derek Frey: It’s difficult to select the one film I’ve watched the most. It’s a toss-up between Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Evil Dead 2 and Edward Scissorhands.

Diana Ringo: Can you tell us something about the upcoming Dumbo adaptation where Tim Burton serves as director and you as producer?

Derek Frey: We’re in the middle of the shoot at Pinewood Studios outside of London. It’s such a special project and a perfect fit with Tim. The story will capture the same rollercoaster of emotions as the original. Dumbo will break your heart… and lift you up along the way.

  Diana Ringo: Your new music video will be screened in Prague. What are your impressions of the city? What is your favorite city in Europe?

Derek Frey: Prague is a great city. I love the gothic nature of its building and the beauty of the streets at night. I’d really like to film something in Prague someday. I was there in 2014 for the opening of Tim Burton’s art exhibition at the Stone Bell House in Old Town Square and had a great time. I find Prague to be incredibly cinematic, which is one of the reasons I’m so proud to have a project selected in the festival this year.

  Diana Ringo: What advice would you give to young filmmakers?

Derek Frey: Just get out there and create. There are so many stories to tell and these days there’s nothing to hold you back. Let your passion guide you and always have a camera by your side.

DUMBO European premiere in London, UK.

Top Shorts Filmmaker in the Spotlight: An Interview with Derek Frey

January 23, 2018

Derek Frey is an exceptional filmmaker. With credits like The Killers' Here With MeAlice in WonderlandKill the Engineand Disney's upcoming Dumbo, he is taking over Hollywood at the speed of light.
Read Derek's interview to find out how did a suburban Philadelphian boy become one of Hollywood's top producers?

Tell us a bit about how you became interested in being a filmmaker? When did you create your first film?

Going to the movies was a big part of my childhood.  So many great films came out during my formative years and I remember after watching Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Star Wars, E.T. the Extra Terrestrial and Raiders of the Lost Ark, being curious about how they were made. I think audiences in the late 70s/early 80s began to take interest in how visual effects were created.  I was always excited to read the latest edition of Bantha Tracks, the Star Wars fan club newsletter, which gave an inside look into the making of those films.  Although the photos were printed fairly small and in black and white, they provided a lot of behind the scenes information and I was intrigued.

In 7th grade we had a class project where we wrote and filmed our own skits.  Our teacher gave us the freedom to do pretty much anything we wanted.  That was a big moment for me, I loved the creative nature of putting something on camera and making people laugh.  It was a pretty powerful exercise at that age.  I didn’t have access to a camera again until high school when I borrowed a camera and started experimenting more.  Each project would grow in complexity and then in college I wrote and shot the first of a few feature length films.

Have you ever received formal education in filmmaking? Did you attend any film school for training?

I studied communications and journalism in college.  Filmmaking was always a hobby – something I did on the side.  My university didn’t have a film program but did have some editing and camera gear, mainly kept out of student’s view and utilized by faculty members.  A supportive professor championed for me to have access to cameras and a Video Toaster editing system.  The opportunity to work on a real editing system was a huge leap forward for me.  Up until that point I would edit between two VCRs, with the sound either dubbed live while duplicating, or premixed on a cassette tape that I would then synch up while duplicating.  It was an insane way to edit, especially the feature length films, but it really taught me the fundamentals.

  When did you move to LA? And why?

The idea of moving to LA to work in the film industry was something I never would have even considered a possibility.  I had a chance to visit LA during the spring break of my senior year and through some personal connections was able to meet a number of executives and producers within the industry.  All these people had helpful advice for me on how to break into the industry.  They also said if I decided to make the move to LA, I could give them a call.  After graduation, I figured I had nothing to lose.  My plan B was to move back to Pennsylvania and pursue a career in journalism, which also was a passion of mine. 

You started working for Tim Burton productions back in 1996 – and you've been working on Burton’s films ever since. Not many people get to say they began their professional film career assisting Burton on Mars Attacks!, Sleepy Hollow, Planet of the Apes, and our favorite - Big Fish. How did a suburban Philadelphian boy get this position?

My first paying job in LA was as a Production Assistant on a sitcom for ABC Productions.  It was a great experience but my goal was to work on films.  An executive at ABC knew this and when the sitcom wasn’t renewed, she recommended me for an opening at Tim Burton Productions.  I remember her asking “Would you be interested in interviewing for a position at Tim Burton Productions?”  My jaw hit the floor.  I was very fortunate to find myself working for Tim, an idol of mine, just 10 months after making the move to LA.

These days, you're an established producer with many notable A-List projects under your belt: Big Eyes, Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children, Alice in Wonderland, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and the upcoming live-action Disney film Dumbo, to name a few. Can you describe some of your responsibilities while being involved in such diverse jobs? How demanding is it to work on these large-scale productions? When you produce a movie like ‘Dumbo’, is it a 24/7 gig?

The work is relentless, but always a welcome challenge.  I thrive on a heavy workload and each project brings its own complexities.  That’s the wonderful thing about working with Tim – he never idles and each project presents a new puzzle to crack.  My main responsibility is helping Tim carry out his incredible vision from conception through post production. I also help ensure that once the film is complete that it is represented and marketed in a manner that will lead to its success.

Tell us about your involvement in Frankenweenie, the 2012 film you co-produced which received an Academy Award® nomination for Best Animated Picture. Were you involved from the very beginning? Was this the first time you approached an animated film? Was it different than a live-action movie?

Frankenweenie was a wonderful project to work on.  It certainly was a high point for me.  Corpse Bride was the first stop-motion animated project I was involved with.  Prior to that I worked as a production coordinator on Tim’s The World of Stainboy animated series.  Initial work on Frankenweenie began shortly after the release of Corpse Bride in 2005, with Tim designing the look of the characters and working with talented puppet makers Mackinnon and Saunders on the fabrication of the Frankenweenie maquettes.  The approach and execution of an animated film is vastly different from a live-action project.  So much of the work that goes into an animated film happens before the camera rolls a single frame.  And the process of actually shooting in stop-motion is a much greater timeline than that of a live-action film.  Photographing a feature-length animated film is traditionally a time-consuming affair – one of the main reasons why Tim may only churn out one or two each decade.

Alongside your studio-work, you create your own content, music videos, and indie films. How and when did you get into that?

I’ve always had the impulse to create original work.  Making films in college is what lead me to pursue filmmaking as a career.  It’s challenging to find the time, but I do my best to shoot one or two projects each year.  It’s therapeutic between big studio projects to work on films and music videos where I have the freedom to create entirely on my own terms.  My website is a good resource for these works, from the crude and zany experimental films of my youth up to current day:  www.lazerfilm.com 

You often write, produce, direct, DP and edit your projects. Lots of multitasking! What do you enjoy the most?

I love it all, but feel best when I’ve got the camera in my hand.  It’s a thrill to operate and see what you’re capturing in real time.  That symmetry and excitement generated between the camera and your subject is what I enjoy most.  I really love every step of the process, although filming, editing, and scoring are highlights.

It’s so cool that you produced the excellent music video HERE WITH ME for The Killers! As of now, it has over 21 million views on Youtube! How did you get on board? Can you tell us a bit about this experience?

Here With Me was a blast to work on.  It’s such a special little gem that people are still discovering.  I had worked with The Killers previously when Tim directed the music video for Bones in 2006.  The band approached Tim to direct another music video when they released their album Battle Born in 2012.  Tim was drawn to the track.  He had recently reunited with Winona Ryder on Frankenweenie and asked if she would be in the video.  It was a pleasure to work with her and Craig Roberts, and they gave wonderful performances.  The video was shot in Blackpool, UK over the course of 2 days and nights.  It was a real guerilla-style shoot, which I think everyone enjoyed.  Aside from producing the music video, I created a behind the scenes video of the project which can be seen here:  https://vimeo.com/62271804

Many of the films you directed won prestigious awards: the featurette Green Lake screened in over 40 film festivals, collecting multiple awards including Best Film at the L.A Shorts Awards, Motel Providence received the Golden Palm Award for Best Short at the Mexico International Film Fest, as well as Best Director at the World Film Awards. Sky Blue Collar granted you the Best Director award by the Chicago Comedy and Mockfest Film Festivals. The Ballad of Sandeep and God Came ‘Round have also enjoyed successful festival funs. With 79 festival wins and 19 nominations, (according to IMDb), what are the ingredients for creating a successful film, in your opinion?

The fact is you can never really tell what is going to connect with a festival or audience.  I just try to make things that appeal to me.  I know my sensitivities are a bit off-kilter so it’s a pleasure when others “get” and appreciate it.  I really enjoy making people laugh but also giving them a scare as well.  Most of my films attempt to do one or the other and a few try to balance the line between humor and horror.  That’s really where my mind resides.

Most recently, you directed Kill the Engine. First of all, congratulations on winning Best Dark Comedy, Best Sound Design and an Honorable Mention: Editing at Top Shorts Film Festival! Excellent work. How did you come up with the idea? And how did you get your collaborators (such as Gil Damon & David and Matt Amadio) on board?

My friends and close collaborators, the Minor Prophets, conceived the story for Kill The Engine.  They wrote the screenplay under the working title “Say Goodbye to Hollywood”, which originally would have followed the three characters as they observe an annual ritual of “almost” killing themselves as a means of coping with whatever bad things they may have done in the past.  Through the writing process the story evolved into more of a commentary on 21st century man’s flawed relationship with the automobile and thus himself.  https://www.theminorprophets.com

Three actors, one car, simple (hilarious!) storyline: when we look at the final product, it looks so perfect - you make it look easy! But there were probably some challenges involved… Tell us about the making of Kill the Engine. What were some of the challenging parts?

Gil, Dave, and Steve (the Minor Prophets) make it easy.  I knew they would have a good handle on playing the roles they invented, and their longtime friendship really shines through.  That’s something you can’t make up or recreate.  It’s authentic.  My goal was to make the visual side of the story as poetic as the story they wrote.  I wanted the viewer to feel the passage of a summer day in the barn, keeping the visuals fresh through the use of color and camera angles.  The textures already present in and around the barn helped greatly.  The sound design and the use of the cicada stridulations created a unique soundscape and combined with Matt Amadio’s score formed a solid ground for the humor and tragedy.

This comedy is dark… super dark! Who were your earliest influences and who influences your work now?

I think one of the reasons the collaborations with the Minor Prophets have been so successful is because we share a common upbringing in Upper Darby, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia.  We also were inspired by many of the same things growing up.  For comedy, Saturday Night Live sketches from the 80’ and 90’s were a big inspiration.  Especially their film shorts which always swayed a little darker, like ‘Alan: A Video Junkie’, ‘Prose and Cons’, and ‘Hitchhiker’.  Shows like The Twilight Zone and Night Gallery also spoke to me – the sci-fi twists and horror elements were something I always gravitated towards.  In high school and college so many films were inspiring to me.  The works of Tim Burton and Sam Raimi ranked highest.  I remember watching Evil Dead 2 with friends in college and immediately borrowing a friend’s camera to make a short.  The balance of comedy and horror combined with the active cinematography ignited something in my brain.  I remember dragging friends to see Edward Scissorhands five times in the theater. I had never seen something so unique and original that connected with me emotionally.  And that amazing score by Danny Elfman…

Danny Elfman and Tim Burton have been long-time collaborators. Did you ever get a chance to work closely with the legendary Elfman? What was your impression of him while shooting the documentary: A Conversation with Danny Elfman and Tim Burton?

Anyone that knows me from my high school and college days remembers I was a Burton and Elfman fanatic.  This was a fact that I kept very close and quiet when I began working for Tim. Music was my first passion in life and the scoring of a film is always one of the most enjoyable parts of the process.  I’ll always remember the first time I stepped onto a scoring stage at the Skywalker Ranch in Marin County, California.  Danny was just beginning to record the main titles of Mars Attacks! with a robust orchestra.  I still get goosebumps thinking about it.  I always make certain to be present as much as possible during the recording of each and every score.  It continues to be a thrill!

Tell us about your next projects! As mentioned, you’re currently working on Disney’s Dumbo, which is scheduled to be released in 2019. Any spoilers for the big fans? And what other projects are on the menu for 2018-2019?

Dumbo is going to surprise many people.  It’s an amazing cast and tale, set within a rich and beautiful world.  Although Tim is reuniting with many actors he has worked with in the past they are all trailblazing new ground with this one.  It’s not a remake, but a retelling of the classic story.  Aside from Dumbo which will keep me well occupied, I’m editing a music video I just shot in Hawaii for Professor T and the East Side Shredders.  And looking further ahead I’m developing a couple of feature films, including Awkward Endeavors with my frequent collaborators the Minor Prophets, and Quiet Fire a story revolving around the recording of the album Kind of Blue and the creative collaboration between Miles Davis and pianist Bill Evans. 

Would you like to add anything?

Thank you for the interest and the opportunity! It’s always a pleasure to take some time to reflect.

Director Tim Burton and Producer Derek Frey on the set o Dark Shadows.

Interview: Derek Frey, Cult Critic Film Magazine by Helen Wheels

March 7, 2018

Derek Frey’s credits are long and impressive; filled with some of the best fantasy coming out of Hollywood. He’s been working with Tim Burton Productions since 1996, building a career assisting on films such as “Mars Attacks!”, “Sleepy Hollow”, “Planet of the Apes” and “Big Fish”. He was the executive producer on some of my personal favorites such as “Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children” and “Big Eyes” which is based on the true story of Margaret Keane (Amy Adams), whose husband Walter Keane (Christoph Waltz) became one of the most successful painters of the 1950s and early 1960s by using his wife’s art and signing his own name.

Derek co-produced the 2012 Academy Award© nominated “Frankenweenie” and associate produced the blockbuster “Alice in Wonderland”, as well as “Dark Shadows”, “Sweeney Todd”, “Corpse Bride”, “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory”. Derek currently is producing Disney’s “Dumbo”, a live-action adaptation of the classic animated children’s story, scheduled for release in spring 2019. In addition to all that, he still finds time to produce his own work! I recently reviewed his 2016 horror featurette, “Green Lake”, which has appeared at over forty film festivals and won numerous awards. Last year I was fortunate to review his short film “Kill the Engine,” which is also enjoying quite a bit of success on the circuit.

1. Derek, I am thrilled to have an opportunity to interview you, and I’ve been wondering, having been born and raised across the country in Philadelphia PA, how did you end up in Hollywood working with Tim Burton?

Derek: Filmmaking started as a hobby for me during high school and college, and over time I grew increasingly passionate about it. I was always infatuated with films but as a kid growing up on the east coast, the idea of moving to Los Angeles to work in the film industry was something I never really considered a possibility. During my senior year of university, I had an opportunity to visit LA and through some personal connections was able to meet a number of executives and producers in the industry. They all had helpful career advice for me if I decided to make the move west. In the final weeks of college, my energy was focused on completing my cult opus: Verge of Darkness. The positive reaction to the film fueled my desire to make movies for a living. A couple of weeks after graduating college I decided to take a gamble and moved to Los Angeles.

My first paying job in LA was as a production assistant on a sitcom for ABC Productions. It was a great experience, but my real goal was to work on films. An executive at ABC knew this and she recommended me for an opening at Tim Burton Productions. I remember her asking “Would you be interested in interviewing for a position at Tim Burton Productions?” After getting over the initial shock, I went through a couple of rounds of interviews and was hired as a runner, just as Mars Attacks! was in pre-production. I was extremely fortunate to be working for an idol of mine months after making the move to Los Angeles.

2. In what ways have working on films for Burton and Disney influenced your sensibilities as a filmmaker and your approach to your own work?

Derek: I felt a strong affinity for Tim’s work from the very first film I saw of his: Pee Wee’s Big Adventure. I remember seeing it at a drive-in movie theater – they were showing a double feature of Pee-Wee and Goonies. I went mostly to see Goonies, it was massive at the time and all my friends were talking about it. Goonies is a great film, but I was blown away by Pee-Wee. I’d never seen anything like it. From a kid’s perspective, it was very funny, odd, strange and unique. On the top layer, it seems really ridiculous, but there’s a lot going on. There’s an artistic richness to the film and it widened my perspective as to what a movie could be.

As time went on I followed his career. Beetlejuice, Batman, and Edward Scissorhands were films I would watch repeatedly and ultimately prompted me to pick up a camera and make films of my own. As a fan, his films were ingrained in me and inspired me, long before I ever had the chance to work with him. Watching him work and create continues to be a huge inspiration to me.

3. You have numerous credits as a producer and associate producer, what other roles do you play behind the camera, and do you have a preference?

Derek: I have played a number of roles on various projects. It’s always a real thrill and honor to produce for Tim and help him actualize his incredible vision. I love so many aspects of the process but enjoy directing the most. The symmetry and excitement generated between the camera and your subject is the most satisfying.

4. Have you ever worked on the other side of the camera, as an actor? How does that experience compare to being a crew member?

Derek: I’ve never worked as a paid actor. It never really appealed to me though I have a lot of respect for people with that skill. In college, I would play roles in my early films, mainly out of necessity. I had stories I wanted to tell, and it was a collaborative effort with all of my friends helping out in front and behind the camera. In the end, we’d all pitch in, filling in roles that we were (or weren’t) naturally inclined for.

5. When I reviewed Green Lake, I noticed that you had credits for the story, but Leah Gallo was the screenwriter. Could you describe that process? How do you work with the writer to go from concept to script and what does the revision process look like?

Derek: For Green Lake I had the general outline of a story but knew Leah would do a great job writing the screenplay. The story revolves around a strong female character and has many elements of fantasy – of which Leah is a fan. I thought the story really needed to be told from a female perspective and I think that is one of the greatest strengths of the film.

6. You played several behind the scenes roles in your horror featurette “Green Lake”, how do you juggle the sometimes-conflicting demands on a film as cinematographer, director, and editor?

Derek: Juggling many roles is something I’ve always assumed without hesitation. For short films, I think it is a challenging and a healthy exercise – and it’s great to immerse yourself on such a complete level. I will say on a project like Green Lake, which creeps closer to a feature-length running time, taking on so many roles was extremely challenging. Shooting at real locations, many of which were on or under water, combined with makeup and effects, proved a huge undertaking. Our small cast doubled as basically our only crew. It took a toll on everyone physically and emotionally. Looking back, I think everyone appreciates what we went through and the end product. It certainly helps when the film does well and receives praise. That has been therapeutic.

7. Could you describe a day in your life when you’re in the middle of a big production for Burton and/or Disney and how does it differ from your day as an independent filmmaker?

Derek: Each day presents its own challenges and unexpected hurdles. A workday can be strikingly different from pre-production to filming to post-production. Generally, when filming you’re on your feet a lot, moving from between sets and locations. It can be quite a transient lifestyle. During post and prep, it’s a bit more of a stable office/cutting room environment. The hours are always long, but I thrive on a heavy workload and embrace it.
During the rare time I have off, usually around the holidays, I’ll try to film a project of my own. It’s a nice antidote to work on smaller projects where I have complete control over how and when they’re made, versus a studio project where you are responsible to the powers that be.

8. Other than Disney’s much anticipated “Dumbo,” what projects are currently in your cue?

Derek: Aside from producing Dumbo, I’m in the process of developing a stop-motion anthology series based on the characters from Tim’s book: The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy and Other Stories. I’m editing a music video, Pangea, that I recently directed in Hawaii for Professor T and the East Side Shredders. It’s going to be a wild trip through history and around the world. Looking further ahead I’m developing a couple of feature films: Awkward Endeavors with my frequent Philadelphia collaborators the Minor Prophets, and Quiet Fire, a story about the recording of the album Kind of Blue and the creative collaboration between Miles Davis and pianist Bill Evans.


Producer Derek Frey on the set of DUMBO

The Original Van Gogh's Ear Anthology: Freely showcasing the most creative minds on the planet.  An Interview with Derek Frey

April 21, 2018

Derek Frey is best known for his work with Tim Burton on such films as Big Fish, Mars Attacks!, Sleepy Hollow, Planet of the Apes, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Corpse Bride, Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, Alice in Wonderland, Frankenweenie, Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, Dark Shadows, Big Eyes, and Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children. He has worked at the helm of Tim Burton Productions since 2001 as well as running his own film banner Lazer Film Productions, which has created several award-winning films, most notably The Ballad of Sandeep and Green Lake. His most recent endeavor finds him producing the upcoming live-action Dumbo film for Disney. Slated for 2019 the film features Colin Farrell, Eva Green, Danny DeVito, and Michael Keaton


How has life changed most for you since we spoke last (while you were working on Big Eyes)?

Daily life hasn’t changed all that much. I continue to challenge myself and stay busy. I’m now a father to a three-year-old, so that’s a fairly new addition to my life. I view my life from project to project, so after Big Eyes I executive produced Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Childrenand am currently in post production on Dumbo. Tim’s art exhibition The World of Tim Burton continues to tour, which is always exciting to help put together and visit the different cities in support of his work. It just finished its run in Mexico City and will be in Genk, Belgium later this year.

On the personal side, I’ve made a few more films and music videos since then. I think right after Big Eyes I was deep into Green Lake, which was released in 2016. With Green Lake, I was inspired by my lifelong love for B-horror films, and also the mystical setting in Hawaii really spoke to me. I’ve explored B horror before but not quite on that scale. It was a tremendous amount of work, but I was really pleased with the result and surprised it received the recognition that it did.

Last year I directed the music video God Came ‘Round for a band from the Big Island of Hawaii: Professor T and the Eastside Shredders. When I first heard their new album the track really stood out to me. It has a lot of fantastical and paranormal elements in its lyrics by Trever Veilleux and immediately Deep Roy came to mind for the lead character. Luckily enough, Deep was coming to London and I pitched the idea to him. After that the whole project came together very quickly. Deep got to play a myriad of different roles with many costume changes and it’s been a success on the festival circuit. It was great to reunite with Deep. I’ve worked with him on a number of Tim’s films tracing back to Planet of the Apes, Corpse Bride and Charlie & the Chocolate Factory, and then I had the opportunity to direct him in The Ballad of Sandeep. Working with him again was a great pleasure. He’s always game for whatever we throw at him… literally.

I’ve also continued to work with my friends and collaborators the Minor Prophets, with Motel Providence and Kill the Engine. I’m perpetually inspired by their writing which has been described as commentary on 21st century man. Poking fun and putting a spin on the meaning of manhood and the ridiculous things men do to sustain it. I try not to take anything too seriously and can relate to that.


How has becoming a father changed your outlook on the world and life in general? What do you love most about it? 

I’d say you definitely reflect more on your own life. Seeing life through my son’s eyes, I look back and recall things from when I was young. We share a great appreciation for Godzilla movies. He knows the names of all the characters, whether they are “good guys” or “bad guys’, and he’s assembling quite a collection of vinyl figures. We have good vs. bad Toho-Kaiju smackdowns. He usually prefers the bad guys, I think because in the vast Toho universe, the good guys are unfortunately outnumbered. 

Becoming a father hasn’t really change my outlook. I’ve always had a concern for the state of the world and unfortunately the times we’re living in only heighten that concern. Not only for today and tomorrow, but also the world we’re leaving for the future generations. That’s definitely something I think about more now and feel like the stakes are higher. Obviously past generations dealt with their own world threats, and personally I hoped our civilization had evolved to a point where we wouldn’t be dealing with quite as many issues. But with all the active threats and destabilizing forces at work today – the combination seems to make the future a more perilous uncertainty.


Do you think being a parent encourages adults to revisit their own imagination? 

It absolutely does, and more so it encourages me to channel it in different ways. One of the things my son enjoys most in our time together is telling stories. Each night I’m having to think up two or three thrilling tales, and while they’re not the most inventive he seems impressed by them. Ultimately what it does is allows me to revisit the things that inspired me. As I dig into the mental recesses to come up with all these sagas, I end up sharing with him the things that I was inspired by as a child.


What are you currently working on over at Lazer Film Productions? 

I’m currently editing a music video, Pangea, that I filmed earlier this year in Hawaii for Professor T and the East Side Shredders. Like the title suggests we aimed to create something globally epic and I think it’s going to turn out great. I’m slowly making my way through the editing process but hope to have it finished in another month or two. I’m also developing a feature film with the Minor Prophets. We’ve had success with a number of short films over the years and are now moving forward with Awkward Endeavors which we’re planning to shoot next year.


What is the most challenging thing you face in continuing work on your personal projects and working at the helm of Tim Burton Productions? 

When it comes to my projects with LFP, the greatest challenge is really finding the time. I usually find myself filming over breaks and holidays and the editing process takes a bit longer than usual. It’s always a cathartic experience but really that is the biggest challenge, just finding the time to do my own stuff. The flip side of that is because I’m involved with these projects on every level, I also have the freedom to finish on my own schedule. It’s a great thing to work without any outside pressures and to have complete control over something you call your own. 

At Tim Burton Productions things are never idle. The projects are larger so the stakes are higher with many gears at work. One of my main responsibilities as a producer on Tim’s films is to help him carry out his amazing vision. It keeps me on my toes but is a welcome challenge to help him see that vision through, from development all the way to the release, through every stage of a film.


How is the live action version of Dumbo coming along? What are some of the most daunting challenges faced with bringing Dumbo to life outside of the original animation people are familiar with? 

Dumbo is going extremely well. We filmed last year and it’s a production I’m proud to be a part of. We’re in post-production now and eyeing a March of 2019 release. Every one of Tim’s films is unique and demands its own consideration. On this one, the approach was very much filming a practical movie on a grand yet intimate scale. We built the majority of the sets which enabled the cast to perform within real environments. The technology comes into play with the star of the film, Dumbo, and much of the effort in post-production is animating that character. A big goal for the character is maintaining the emotion that people love from the original film. It’s still early stages in the process but I’m confident that Tim will achieve everything he is hoping to.


Were you a fan of the film as a child? What about it stands out most in your mind? 

I went to the movies often when I was a child and although I was really young, maybe four or five, I remember seeing Dumbo in the theatre. I recall feeling strong emotions, the heaviness of Dumbo being separated from his mother, and that melancholy sadness. I probably didn’t see it again until recently, when we began work on Tim’s Dumbo. I was completely taken by how potent the film is. Even at sixty-four minutes it is full of emotion and a beautiful, simple story. The impact it has is something that not only a child can experience. I think as an adult, and maybe as a new dad, I felt those feelings quite strongly again. 

I also felt excitement at the prospect of Tim telling Dumbo’s story. The cornerstone being to maintain the same emotional bond between a son and his mother. Now, close to eighty years since the original was released, technology is at a point where you can believably recreate an elephant on-screen, and Tim’s expertise in animation will bring that lovable character to life. When the news first broke that Tim was directing a live-action Dumbo, people were sort of unsure about it and scratching their heads. But for me reading the screenplay for the new film, I realized that Dumbo is an outsider and an outcast. People accuse him of being a freak and he moves past those perceptions to embrace what makes him special. If you look back at Tim’s catalogue he’s a champion for these types of characters. And looking through the Disney canon of characters, I don’t think there’s a better fit for Tim to interpret than Dumbo.


Do you think traditional animated film will ever come back to forefront? 

Film is a broad art form, and there is room for stories to be told in every single form available. There may not be many films being made in traditional 2D, but there is still a place for it and I hope there will always be. It’s the same with stop motion. I know for Tim it’s a very special way of making films and he’ll continue to utilize that form. I don’t think traditional animation is dead, these things come and go. There is always interest in looking back at different storytelling mechanisms. Maybe we’re just in a lull now and we’ll see a wave of 2D crop up in a few years. Let’s hope so!


Will this film feature a lot of CGI or will it have more practical effects? 

When Tim made Alice in Wonderland it was a virtual approach with completely green screen sets and a lot of computer-animated characters. Then fast forward to something like Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children which took a very practical approach, real locations and not a lot of CG at all. I think when things look so good these days people just assume that it’s a computer-generated set or environment. But Miss P was very much a practical film. I would say Dumbo sits somewhere between the two, but definitely closer to a practical approach. The sets and the world that the characters live in were all built and created, and although we did shoot on sound stages, that was mainly for the sake of controlling the light and not running into problems with weather. Dumbo needed to have a fable or storybook feel and shooting on stages helped create a heightened sense to the world.

As I spoke about before, the main character Dumbo will be computer-generated, and that is out of basic necessity. We can’t use a real elephant, nor would you be able to get the needed performance out of a real elephant. So, while Dumbo will be animated the goal is to create a truly believable elephant. An elephant who sits within this world and you don’t question it. The fantastic ability of this elephant is that he can fly, so it’s about making that believable too.


I understand this is the first time Michael Keaton has worked with Tim since the first two Batman films and DeVito since Big Fish. What is it like to have them on board for this project? 

I was really excited for Tim to be working with Michael and Danny, two people that he’s had close collaborations with in the past, and I know it got him excited about the project as well. My initial thought was: Tim Burton, Michael Keaton, and Danny DeVito together… it’s like a Batman Returns reunion! But then seeing them get into their work with Tim, they have an instant shorthand on set, you realize this is not just a trip down memory lane. These guys are looking forward, creating exciting new characters, and working at the top of their game. I think it’s going to surprise a lot of people. It was quite an energy on set. 

Aside from Michael and Danny you have Eva Green, who Tim worked with on Dark Shadows and Miss P, who is going to light up the screen in this one. And Alan Arkin who worked with him back on Edward Scissorhands. It’s almost like a greatest hits package of these wonderful actors that Tim has worked with in the past. I remember in one of the scenes we had Michael, Danny, and Alan all together. It was an incredible moment for everybody, myself included, to see them together again with Tim. At the same time, you have the talented Colin Farrell, who is an amazing and generous presence on set, working with Tim for the first time. They gelled immediately, and their shorthand was instantaneous. To see all of this talent assembled and fitting comfortably was a joy.


What do you enjoy most about working with Tim? 

After all these years and all these projects, it’s still an honor to work with him. He continues to inspire everyone around him, because he’s always pushing his own creativity. While he does work with the same people from film to film I wouldn’t say it’s ever easy or repetitious, it’s always a fresh experience. You can never guess what he’s going to do that day on set or how he’s going to approach things, he will always surprise you. And that’s what makes Tim the real deal and why he is who he is. I feel that every day working for him. As a creative person you find yourself inspired by other creative people, and he’s the most creative person I’ve ever met.


As someone who is a self proclaimed introvert what have you found are some of the benefits of being less social? What do you think extroverts could learn from the less socially inclined? 

I think over the years I’ve had to break out of my introverted behavior, because it’s important in my work to be an effective communicator. That is not to say that being introverted is a bad thing, it’s just for what I need to do, I can’t be like that all the time. But I will say that some of my most fruitfully creative periods were times when I could sink back into myself and explore my own brain. That’s one of the challenges of my job. Because I have to communicate with people constantly it leaves little time to do that. So, although I have broken out a bit (which I think is a good thing for me personally) I pine for my more introverted days. There are benefits of going inside yourself, becoming self-aware and nurturing your creativity. I think ideally you can find the best of both worlds. 


How have you changed most as an individual since your early days? 

You think about that more as you get older, about how you’ve changed or how you were in the past. I hear people say they feel different from when they were younger. But the fact is I feel very much the same. I’ve often wondered whether something was wrong with me that I don’t feel much different? I’ve always been a high energy person, so maybe I have mellowed out a little bit. I’m probably still more hyper than anyone else I know, except for my son. If anything, I am shocked at how much time has gone by, I find myself trying to make the most of every moment. I guess that’s an important thing that I didn’t think about when I was younger, trying to take advantage of every moment here for the best.


What projects are you looking forward to bringing into existence?

Aside from Awkward Endeavors, I’ve been developing a project called Quiet Fire. It tells the musical relationship between Miles Davis and pianist Bill Evans, and the recording of the album Kind of Blue. That’s something I’m very excited to see happen. It’s a story about the creative process, but it also covers themes about race and substance abuse so there’s lots to chew on. It gives new insight into Kind of Blue which is considered by many to be the greatest jazz album of all time. For Tim Burton Productions, I’m developing an anthology of shorts based on characters from his 1997 book The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy & Other Stories. We’re looking to re-tell the stories using stop motion, which would be visually distinct and something for fans to get excited about.


Is there anything you’d like to say in closing?

Thank you again for the opportunity. It’s been a pleasure to take some time out of the daily grind to reflect upon the past four years.

Derek Frey on the set of DUMBO

How Dumbo‘s Producer Carves out Creative Space for Tim Burton.  By Hugh Hart for The Credits.

March 28, 2019

Twenty-three years ago, Dumbo producer Derek Frey started working for Tim Burton as a gofer on Mars Attacks. Over the course of Burton’s next 11 movies, Frey rose through the ranks to become a trusted consigliere to the visionary director. Among Frey’s chief tasks: making sure that Burton gets to be Burton. “Tim’s an artist,” Frey says. “He treats every project like a canvas. I always try to – I don’t want to say ‘protect’ —  but I try to ensure that Tim has the space he needs to delve into his creativity because certain people within the studio system—they want answers now. They want to see things before they’re ready to be seen.”

Especially for Dumbo, a mostly live-action re-make of Disney’s 1941 flying elephant fable featuring Danny DeVito, Colin Farrell, Eva Green, and Michael Keaton. The London-based filmmaker needed time to shape Ehren Kruger’s script to his liking. Pre-production began in October 2016 and Dumbo only wrapped final edits three weeks ago, Frey says. “Before we had the elephant rendered, we weren’t really sure what the movie was going to be, so I helped carve out that little corner [for Tim] and told the studio, ‘Guys, you’ve got to trust us on this one. Look at Tim’s track record. You know he’ll deliver something wonderful.”


In re-creating the wonder that is saucer-eyed baby elephant Dumbo and his world, Burton enlisted long-standing collaborators including Frey, composer Danny Elfman, costumer Colleen Atwood, and production designer Rick Heinrichs. Frey sees Team Burton as a de-facto repertory company, not unlike the itinerant entertainers depicted in the film. “Tim’s group in a way is really like a circus troupe,” Frey says. “We’re kind of a ragtag bunch where each person brings their own talent to the table, with Tim front and center” as the ringmaster.


In fact, the Dumbo set outside of London often times resembled an actual circus. “We brought in real circus acts from Mongolia and Brazil and Eastern Europe and Spain and Russia,” Frey says. “Five months before we started filming, they put on a show for Tim at Pinewood Studios and he selected a short list of performers for the movie. When you see Danny DeVito and his Medici Brothers Circus, there’s always stuff going on in the background with jugglers, knife throwers, people on a high wire. They’re the real deal. It was really cool to be part of a movie where you’d see these people in the corner every day doing tricks or rehearsing some kind of acrobatics gearing up for their time on screen.”


The circus environments designed by Oscar-winner Heinrichs (Sleepy Hollow) was constructed on a Pinewood Studios soundstage near London and the massive Cardington Airship Hangar once used to build World War I blimps. “We researched real locations in the U.S. that paralleled places in the script but Tim decided to shoot the movie on the new soundstage at Pinewood where we could completely control the light and color and camera,” Frey recalls. “From a production standpoint, we wouldn’t need to deal with rain or weather elements or [changing] light. We used a green screen for Alice in Wonderland, but for this one, we felt the elephant was the fantastical element and everything else should be as real and tactile as possible.”


The folksy Americana backdrop, circa 1919, evokes a lush context for the story but at its core, Dumbo requires an adorable and fully plausible baby elephant to drive the drama. After finishing his 2016 contemporary fantasy Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children,Burton turned his attention to the big Dumbo questions. Frey explains, “It really became about the development of the look for Dumbo. A, what could he look like in a live action environment and B, could the visual effects pull that off realistically?”


The answers came from MPC company, which had just finished state-of-the-art visual effects in The Jungle Book. “MPC had already taken a stab at Dumbo on their own and when they showed us their tests, it proved you could create a flying elephant that looks convincing. That’s when Tim decided the technology had arrived for us to make this movie.”

Frey regards Dumbo as a culminating moment in Burton’s filmography, and he should know. Long before joining the director’s inner circle, Frey admired Burton’s black-humored brand of surrealistic horror aesthetic from afar. In high school, he watched Edward Scissorhands dozens of times at the local movie theater. In college, Frey found personal inspiration in Burton’s bio-pic of D-movie director Ed Wood. “It’s probably my favorite Tim Burton movie ever,” Frey says. “Ed Wood made me recognize even if you’re making a horrible film that nobody sees, you can still have a passion for the actual process of getting a bunch of people together, grabbing a camera and running around getting shots. That movie gave me the strength of purpose to pursue film as a career, and looking back, I feel very fortunate about my trajectory.”

As for Burton’s artistic trajectory over the past two decades, Frey believes the man he works with nearly every day has remained essentially unchanged. “Maybe he’s slightly more comfortable in his own shoes than he was 25 years ago but Tim is still very much a champion of the outsider, he’s still talented and touched and unique and very much an outsider himself,” Frey says. “The moment that he’s not the outsider, the moment that Tim Burton is universally accepted? Then it’s over!”

Producers Derek Frey and Katterli Frauenfelder on the set of DUMBO.

‘Dumbo’ Producers Derek Frey and Katterli Frauenfelder on How ‘Alice in Wonderland’ Influenced the Production.  by Drew Taylor for Moviefone.

March 28, 2019

When you watch “Dumbo,” Tim Burton’s fantastic reinvention of the beloved Disney animated classic (you know, the one that made Harry Truman cry), it’s hard to not think about what it must have taken to pull off. Besides wrangling an impressive cast of heavy hitters (many of them, like Danny DeVitoEva Green and Michael Keaton, Burton regular players), the scope and scale of the production is totally staggering – countless costumed extras (all in period-specific and still Burton-whimsical garb), giant physical sets, and a main character who didn’t actually exist. It’s an epic in every sense of the word.

And much of the logistical planning and preparation fell to “Dumbo” producers Derek Frey and Katterli Frauenfelder, who we were lucky enough to sit down with for a few minutes in Beverly Hills. During our discussion we talked about what it took for Burton to say yes to another live-action remake of an animated classic, how long it took to get Dumbo right, and what they learned from the notoriously difficult “Alice in Wonderland.”


From your point of view, what made “Dumbo” so perfect for Tim and for reinvention?

Derek Frey: There’s so much to pull from. Dumbo is one of the original outsiders. It’s one of the first feature films from Disney and he is an outsider. Tim has such a great history, almost every single one of his films revolves around an outside. So that combined with the fact that it comes from Disney and it’s animation. It’s almost like a personification of Tim himself. He started at Disney, he started in the animation world, he has a history of outsider characters that are animated. So to bring a 2D animated character into a reimagining of a live action motion picture for Disney, aside from all the story points and the lovely script, Tim felt like the right person to pull from his toolbox. And the final result shows that.

Katterli Frauenfelder: And he was very emotionally attached to the story and to Dumbo.


Did it take any convincing for him to do another animated-to-live-action adaptation?

Frey: Here’s the thing – we receive a draft of a script from Disney, we see that it’s “Dumbo” and instantaneously you kind of go, Here’s another reimagining. But after Tim read it, he understood pretty quickly that, yes, it’s another reimagining but it’s lovely. It’s ideal. It’s perfect. He was really touched by the story. It was actually a very quick process. I don’t think Disney expected him to respond as quickly as he did. It was immediate and it was, Count me in. And that’s rare. That hardly ever happens.


And there are stories that he was offered other live-action remakes.

Frey: He had dabbled in a couple and it didn’t work out. Here’s the thing – a lot of those original Disney animated films deal with all the things of life – love, loss, tragedy and good messages in there. I think Tim as a child was greatly impacted by those things. So the idea, with the technology that’s available now, that you could believably create that elephant in a live action film and do it successfully, that was something that really interested him.


On a technical level, this movie is filled with huge sets. How much of that was a response to his experience on “Alice in Wonderland” and just having a green sheet up?

Frauenfelder: A lot. Because I think that he really feels that, though “Alice” went really well and we did our best to give a reality to the actors, Tim felt very strongly that as much set as we could have for the actors to act against and react to and with, was very important to him in this one. We even had a little guy who played Dumbo so that the children always had eyes to look at and also the other actors. I think it was very important. There was always a connection to the set or to Dumbo. I think that, for Tim, it became very important after “Alice.”

Frey: I think there’s also something about embedding a computer-generated character into a live environment. Because if you are dropping “Dumbo” into a virtual environment, that’s kind of two levels into something that your brain processes and knows is not reality. But with real sets, the challenge was, Okay now we’re going to drop this elephant into real lighting scenarios and interaction and touch and all of those things. A movie like “Jungle Book” proved that you could animate at that level. But those were virtual sets so. That’s the real change up in this film – the sets are real, the actors are real, but we’re dropping the star of the film into that.


How long did it take to finesse that character into existence?

Frey: We finished last week. Listen, MPC did an incredible job but Tim saw what the technology could do and he just kept pushing and pushing and pushing it until we had to finish the movie.

Frauenfelder: And Tim is a perfectionist so he sees every detail of Dumbo. But it was last week.

Frey: I think they’ve learned a lot. I think they learned a lot. They brought things to an entire new level. And it shows when you watch the movie. You question, “Is that real? How are they touching it?” I’m astounded when I see it.


There’s the old metaphor of movie productions being like circuses. Was this movie more Medici or more Dreamland?

Frauenfelder: It was both.

Frey: No, it was both. Because our production was split up very much like the film is – where, the first half you’re in that Medici world. We didn’t shoot necessarily in order but we did do more Medici stuff at the beginning and then we went to Dreamland. There was definitely a parallel there. But I will say that the group that works primarily with Tim over the years, we’re Medici. We’re a ragtag bunch of misfits who believe in something and get behind Tim to help him. It is life imitating art a bit.

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Q & A: 'Dumbo' Producer On How Tim Burton's Reimagining Differs From Other Live-Action Disney Remakes.  By Josh Weiss for Forbes.

April 1, 2019

This past weekend, Disney released its live-action remake of 1941's Dumbo, the poignant story about a floppy-eared elephant who learns that he has the unique ability to fly. Naturally, Tim Burton (Beetlejuice, Alice in Wonderland) was the natural choice to direct, given the film's fantastical premise and larger-than-life circus/amusement park settings.

Excitingly, the project reunited the filmmaker with his two of his biggest collaborators, Danny DeVito (It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia) and Michael Keaton (Spider-Man: Homecoming), who faced off against one another in 1992's Batman Returns as The Penguin and Bruce Wayne. Dumbo flips this original dynamic, however, by making DeVito (small time circus owner, Max Medici) the good guy, and Keaton (ruthless entertainment tycoon V. A. Vandevere) the villain.

In addition to those big names, Burton was also able to snag Colin Farrell (The Lobster), Eva Green (Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children), and even Alan Arkin (The Kominsky Method) for the rest of the cast. Since the titular character is a flying pachyderm (an impossible-to-find breed these days), Dumbo had to be brought to life via the latest CGI technology, but that didn't mean he had to be a lifeless tennis ball perched atop a wooden stick on the set (more on that later, though).

The live-action Dumbo's biggest change from the original feature involves the introduction of humans that were not in original, mainly the Farrier family (led by Farrell's Holt), which is reeling from the effects of World War I and the Spanish Influenza pandemic of the late 1910s. Just as Milly and Joe Farrier (Nico Parker and Finley Hobbins respectively) have lost their mother to the devastating flu, so too Dumbo has lost his own mother to the cruelty of man. The fates of these characters become intertwined as Dumbo learns to soar (in an effort to see his mom again), while Holt (an injured veteran of the Great War) reconnects with his children.

What ensues is a heartwarming (and sometimes heartbreaking) story about the importance of family, the pitfalls of greed, and, at its very core, being kind to animals. That only just scratches the surface of what Burton strove for in this movie, which feels like his purest, most wondrous endeavor in years. To get a better sense of what makes this film different from its source material—as well as what sets it apart from Disney's other docket of live-action remakes—we caught up with Burton's longtime producer, Derek Frey.

Josh Weiss: You’ve been a producer on Tim Burton’s movies for a while now. What have you learned about his filmmaking and/or visual style after so many years of working together?

Derek Frey: That’s a good question. Tim is obviously well-known for his visual style and a certain kind motif. We hear the word a lot of times, ‘Burton-esque.’ I will say he occupies a ... certain specific, unique space and I feel like it’s something that is harder to come by these days. He is one of the last auteurs in a way, where he has a very distinct style and look—he’s still the best at representing that. I know you’ll see films from time-to-time that seem like they’re trying to do what he does, but I kind of feel like unless it’s him helming a project, it’s gonna lack something special about it. 

It’s been a great journey, I’ve worked with him for a long time and it’s still awe-inspiring to see him work and the energy and enthusiasm and passion that he brings to a project. The attention to detail is always a real wonder to watch and that continued on Dumbo, probably to a degree I’d never even seen before. I think he ramped it up a few notches on [this movie], where every nuance of Dumbo’s character, every single aspect visually to the film, he had a hand in. If you haven’t seen the film yet, when you do, I think people will realize that there’s something really special about the look and especially Dumbo, the character himself.

Josh Weiss: When you found out you’d be working on Dumbo, what was Tim’s sort of pitch/vision for the way he wanted to reimagine the original film?

Derek Frey: Disney sent us a draft of Ehren Kruger’s script and Ehren kind of pitched his take to the studio that you kind of tell the story that the original film did up to a point. And where the original film leaves off, that’s where we pick up. It’s almost like the point where the world discovers that there’s an elephant that can fly, now what happens? 

The screenplay had all the things in place that I think appealed to Tim and certainly, I think one of the biggest draws is that Dumbo, the character, is an outsider and is one of the original Disney outsider animal characters. Tim’s always been a champion for these kinds of characters and Dumbo seemed to fit really well into that realm. Then add to that the amazing settings that [the film is] set in, the time period, and this kind of grand dreamland destination, Coney Island-esque setting is something that, when I read the screenplay, I couldn’t visualize it, but I could tell that Tim would definitely be able to run with it and make something really incredible. 

For Tim, it was taking that screenplay and making the story his own, developing the design and look of Dumbo. That was something that, from the offset, Tim embraced [asking] ‘How are we gonna adapt this character into a new film, into a live-action kind of environment?’ Obviously, the visual effects were [advanced enough] where we could create a realistic-looking elephant and then it was really Tim that brought the nuance to the character. For a character that doesn’t speak at all, he has a lot of personality and a lot of that personality came from Tim’s direction on how to animate him.

Josh Weiss: The project reunites Burton with some of his most famous collaborators, mainly Michael Keaton and Danny DeVito. Did it take some time for them to recapture their Batman repartee or did it just click back into place after so many years?

Derek Frey: It was instantaneous. One of the first days early on in [production] we had one of the scenes in the sky boxes at Dreamland and it was Alan Arkin and Michael Keaton and Danny DeVito all together in one scene. I think everybody was soaking in the energy that day … We’ve worked with Danny a lot, this is the fourth film that Tim has directed Danny in; they’ve collaborated on a number of different things over their careers. That, I knew would be instantaneous. 


Tim hadn’t seen Michael in a long time and from the moment they actually met when Michael reached town and they were going through costume tests, they just clicked. There’s a shorthand there. I think the people that Tim collaborates with often, that shorthand is already kind of present, but to have these guys working together in the same scenes was something really magical to watch. 

From beginning this film, [Tim] expressed that if he could populate and cast a lot of these characters with people that he’s worked with in the past, people that he thought were right for the roles, but people that are kind of his film family, that was something that was going to excite Tim and make for a better film. I don’t think Tim followed that path to get fans and audiences excited, but it is really great to see that people are looking back and [that] they are excited see this reunion and I don’t think they’ll be disappointed. It’s pretty exciting to see them all together again, and it’s not like they’re rehashing anything or retreading or redoing something. They’re kind of blazing into new territory on this one and creating really strong, new characters.

Josh Weiss: Aside from DeVito and Keaton, you’ve also got Colin Farrell, Eva Green, AND Alan Arkin.


Was it a challenge to juggle so many talented actors and a flying CGI elephant?

Derek Frey: Not really. Again, really good people gravitate to working with Tim and this cast, across the board, they understand Tim’s process. I think Colin and the kids were the only major roles where those actors hadn’t worked with Tim previously and Colin, it just felt like he was part of that family. He fit right in—that shorthand was right there, and I look forward to Tim and Colin working together again because I think they were a really good fit. 

For the kids, this was kind of their first movie, so I think it was really great for children stepping into this big world; they felt very comfortable because the people that work with Tim, obviously they’re very familiar with him, it’s a real comfortable kind of setting. It’s a circus kind of environment, so inherently, there’s a lot of fun and there’s a lot of moving people juggling. There’s never a dull moment, so I think that they were able to flip into this world and feel very comfortable. They’re both very confident and competent actors in and of themselves.

Josh Weiss: I’m glad you brought that up. Do any fun moments/anecdotes from set stand out? Maybe from the actors reacting to an elephant that wasn’t there?

Derek Frey: When it came to Dumbo, he was the only thing that wasn’t truly present on set, at least in terms of his final look. We did have a Dumbo actor by the name of Edd Osmond who would wear a very peculiar-looking kind of green screen suit, which doubled for Dumbo in terms of eye line and movement and contact with the actors. 

As ridiculous as his costume looked—we coined it ‘The Ant-Man Costume’—it enabled the actors to have something to play off ... One of the things that I’m really taken by is how real the contact and the movement and interaction between the actors and Dumbo [is]—it really plays off well and a lot of that has to do with having someone present for these scenes.

Nico [Parker] and Finley [Hobbins], who play the children, they had the best stories because they spent a lot of time with Edd ... They had a real rapport with him. It was a real interesting kind of relationship between the three of them … But I can’t speak of anything really specific; it was just the general absurdity of the the day-to-day and how quickly we adapted to how ridiculous that Dumbo double costume looked. 

A lot of that had to do with Edd’s performance because he brought a lot of feeling to it. The first couple days on set it was kind of like ‘How’re we gonna get a real, true, heartfelt reaction from the actors having to play off of this character?’ But then his performance was so real and pure, that you went with it, you really felt it on set and it comes through in the final picture as well.


Josh Weiss: In the original, the relationship between Dumbo and his mother and the poor treatment of his mother is some of the saddest stuff in cinematic history. How does that carry over into the remake?

Derek Frey: Disney films, especially the early animated ones, there’s a lot of scenes of loss and tragedy. There’s real life lessons that were told in those stories, and I think that’s one of the reasons why they resonate so strongly in people. It was something that, in this reimagining, we felt it was really the heart of the story. 

The heart of the story is a baby elephant trying to reunite with his mother, and that’s the kind of the takeaway that people have from the original. I found that lot of people remember how they felt watching the original, but they may not remember every single beat of the story, and I think that’s mainly because it’s something that people watched when they were very young and we knew that this story had to maintain that pulse. The original’s a 63-minute long film. 

Obviously, for a feature-length live-action film, we had to provide something a bit more extensive and Ehren Kruger ... aside from expanding the story once the world finds out that there’s a flying elephant, he also felt it would be good to introduce human characters with a family story that kind of parallels the plight of Dumbo. That’s where the the Farrier family comes into play. So, I think it plays really well; there’s a real touching parallel story of these children and their father trying to connect and deal with their mother who has passed away. I think it’s made for a real kind of lovely update of the original story. 

When [people] watch it, they’ll get enough of the original and how they felt watching the original and there’s enough nods to the original that they’ll feel like it’s doing it justice. But it also takes it into a whole new realm and they’re not gonna feel like that was a bad turn. I think they’ll go with it.

Josh Weiss: Based on the trailers alone, the sets alone look breathtaking. Can you talk a little bit about their design and construction?

Derek Frey: A term that Tim used from the very beginning was ‘grand intimacy’ and his meaning behind that was in the original animated film, you are firmly tracking Dumbo and his mother and the story of the circus. There’s a certain scale and color scheme that’s really bold and memorable and in this film, it’s a big movie, but Tim never wanted to lose focus on the tale of this family and of Dumbo. While you do have this big world that everything is set in, you never get lost in it. At least I find in a lot of bigger budget films, sometimes you lose yourself in the scale of the world ... over the substance of the characters and the story. Tim wanted to make sure that we maintain a certain intimacy of the story and the characters. 

That being said, we’ve done films like Alice in Wonderland, where it’s completely set within a CGI world and most of the filming took place on green screen sets. Because Dumbo is one of the biggest visuals effects in the film, Tim felt it was important to build [practical sets] as much as possible in terms of the setting. For every scene, our characters, the initial world, the immediate world that we’re tracking, is all on real sets.

Although it’s done really well, it’s hard to tell sometimes, the horizons, the world beyond, the skyline ... those are the elements that we’ve added later. But the initial world from Danny DeVito’s Medici Circus, the down and out dusty circus, and through Michael Keaton’s Vandevere Dreamland, those sets were all practically built. 

It creates a certain design aspect that is really strong, because you sense that you’re in a real world and it enables to us to believe the elephant [is real] in a way because the visual effects team was able to effectively create this Dumbo elephant into a real world. I think when you have two layers of the unreal, like an unreal setting and an unreal character, it’s a little bit harder for your brain to process and go with it. Each time I’ve seen the finished film now, I’m really astounded at how well Dumbo plays within these environments.

Josh Weiss: How is it different from all the live-action remakes Disney has released or is planning to release in the coming months?

Derek Frey: I’m not familiar with the trajectory of the storylines for Lion King or Aladdin. From what I’ve seen, it seems like they’re definitely looking back at the original films. Those original animated films [from the] late ‘80s, early ‘90s, they’re a little fresher in people’s minds. You have a generation of people that grew up with those pictures and they now have kids of their own and those films mean something really fundamental to them. While I’m sure there’ll be some changes, I would suspect that they wanna stay true to a little more of what those original films were.

We had a little bit more liberty with Dumbo, because it came out in 1941—it’s a 63-minute-long film. We had a little more flexibility in expanding upon the story and maybe people not being quite so dear with it. Again, I’m not sure what they’re doing with those [other] films, but I do think Tim was able to exercise his amazing creativity to its fullest on this and I think it’s something people will accept and embrace and really enjoy.

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Interview with Filmmaker Derek Frey (GOD CAME ‘ROUND)

GOD CAME ‘ROUND played to rave reviews at the February 2018 ROMANCE FEEDBACK Film Festival on Valentine’s Day in Toronto. 

Matthew Toffolo: What motivated you to make this film?

Derek Frey: I was drawn to creating visuals to the song because the lyrics involved fantastical situations and paranormal elements. As someone that’s always been interested in the paranormal, I loved the confluence of a sci-fi fantasy and a hopeless romantic fantasy. Also, the pairing of Deep Roy (playing a ghost, leprechaun, and alien) with Aiko Horiuchi (who played the evil spirit Kayako in The Grudge 3) was pretty irresistible.

2. From the idea to the finished product, how long did it take for you to make this short?

I first heard the song and conceived the story during a long-haul flight last April. I reached out to actor Deep Roy a few days later and he agreed to be part of the project immediately. We filmed over 2 days and 2 nights in late May around London, and I finished up the edit by the end of June. From start to finish I think it was the quickest project I have ever been part of.

3. How would you describe your short film in two words!?

Off-kilter.

4. What was the biggest obstacle you faced in completing this film?

It ended up being an extremely smooth shoot. There were quite a lot of things that could have gone wrong that fortunately didn’t. Deep was game for anything we threw at him, literally. We had a challenging number of setups and costume changes which kept us on our toes throughout.

5. What were your initial reactions when watching the audience talking about your film in the feedback video?

I was certainly nervous before hitting play. Knowing that the festival was held on Valentine’s Day and may have been a romantic outing for audience members, I wasn’t sure what reactions they would have to our slightly odd music video. I was relieved to find the responses to be spot on. The film is intended to be off-center, not meant to disturb but perhaps present a spin on romance and relationships. I could see from the reactions the film did just that! I especially liked a women’s comments that Deep’s character “looked and felt like a stalker”. We wanted to have a touch of that slightly creepy aspect, so it was great to have that recognized.

6. How did you come up with the idea for this short film?

Trever Veilleux’s songwriting and poetic lyrics were the initial inspiration. I’ve been a fan of his music for a while now and this song spoke to me creatively. I first collaborated with his band Technical Difficulties in 2001 on a music video for the song “Sex is Easier”. I listened to an advance copy of his new album Professor T and the East Side Shredders and the track “God Came ‘Round” jumped out as something that could become a unique, funny music video. The vision of Deep dressed as a gondolier, selling flowers and experiencing all of these strange characters struck me instantly and by the end of the flight I had the entire film outlined.

7. What film have you seen the most in your life?

It may be a three-way tie between Vertigo, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and Edward Scissorhands.

8. You submitted to the festival via FilmFreeway, what are your feelings of the submission platform from a filmmaker’s perspective?

Platforms like FilmFreeway have really streamlined the process. Prior to online submissions it was a daunting experience – mailing physical copies, filling out forms, printing press photos, etc. It’s also much easier to have a site where you can view all of the various festivals and find ones that may be a good fit for your project. Having the ability to present your film and supporting materials on a site like FilmFreeway keeps the focus on the creative – and allows prospective festivals to consider a project in a form shaped by the filmmaker.

9. What song have you listened to the most times in your life?

“Pictures of You” – by The Cure.

10. What is next for you? A new film?

I’m currently in London producing a live-action version of Dumbo directed by Tim Burton, which is a reimagining of the classic 1941 Disney film. That will keep me well occupied through post-production this year. I’m also developing a stop-motion anthology series based on characters from Tim Burton’s book: The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy and Other Stories. I’m editing a music video: Pangea, which I directed recently in Hawaii for Professor T and the East Side Shredders. Looking further ahead I’m developing a couple of feature films including Awkward Endeavors with my frequent collaborators the Minor Prophets, and Quiet Fire, a story about the recording of the album Kind of Blue and the creative collaboration between Miles Davis and pianist Bill Evans.

Interviewer Matthew Toffolo is currently the CEO of the WILDsound FEEDBACK Film & Writing Festival. The festival that showcases 20-50 screenplay and story readings performed by professional actors every single month.

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EXCLUSIVE: Producer Derek Frey Talks Bringing Dumbo To Life

- by SA'IYDA SHABAZZ

JUN 25, 2019

When Disney first announced that they were making a live action version of their animated classic Dumbo, people were skeptical. And how could they not be? The character of Dumbo is an icon. How could they manage to replicate that same magic of seeing an elephant flying around a circus tent? But, they had Tim Burton as a director, so many fears were soothed. Now. Dumbo is being released on Blu-Ray, and ahead of it's release, Moms.com was able to talk to producer Derek Frey about what it was like to bring the iconic film back to the big screen in such a new way.

The original Dumbo was released in 1941, almost 80 years ago. It is still one of Disney's most simple and yet beautiful stories. Obviously, there are major differences between the original and this new version, but they all make sense to the story. One major change is moving the time period during which the movie takes place. The original seems to take place during the time it was made, in Post Great Depression, Pre-World War II. This new version is set in 1919, post World War I and after the Spanish Flu epidemic.

In the new version, humans get more focus for obvious reasons. Timothy Mouse, who was Dumbo's champion and cheerleader, has been replaced with the Farrier family. Father Holt Farrier (Colin Farrell) returns from the war to the Medici Bros. Circus, run by Max Medici (Danny DeVito.) His children Milly and Joe have been cared for by other members of the circus after the death of their mother Annie. Max has sold the horses that were apart of Holt and Annie's act, and now that Holy has returned injured (he's lost an arm) and with no act, he's put in charge of the elephants, which includes the pregnant Mrs. Jumbo.

At its heart, Dumbo is a story about the discovery of self. From the first time we see Dumbo tumble out, his ears splayed all around him, we know he has a hard road ahead. He's different, and even in a circus full of misfits, he's still an outsider. But with a little time, and a "magic" feather, the Farrier kids able to turn what makes him different into what makes him a star. Their story is discovered by V.A. Vandevere (Michael Keaton,) a Barnum-esque character who runs 'Dreamland', a theme park for the people with money to spend. He decides to turn Dumbo into the star of the show, alongside aerialist Colette (Eva Green.)

Honestly, it's hard to imagine anyone but Tim Burton directing a live action version of Dumbo. "Throughout his career, he's [Burton] been a champion for the outsider character, and it has so many of those elements that Tim strives to incorporate in his films," Frey explains. "To be able to take something so iconic and bring it into a live action environment was an exciting opportunity." While the animated version isn't particularly fantastical, it isabout a flying elephant. Burton really does a good job at blending those familiar elements of the original with the story of the new version. He keeps all of the emotional beats that make Dumbo such a wonderful movie. Dumbo's mother, Mrs. Jumbo still has the same plot, after accidentally killing a cruel handler, she is sold away from the Medici circus. While it's set up differently, "Baby Mine" is still a beautiful, tender moment between Dumbo and his mother.

Frey explains that he was most excited to see the 'Pink Elephants on Parade' sequence on the big screen. In the animated version, it's a drunken hallucination Dumbo has, which almost reads as a nightmare. But in the Burton film, the sequence is turned into an elaborate performance in Dreamland, complete with dozens of dancers. "When I first read the script, I was excited to see it there. I knew Tim Burton taking this scene and putting his touch on it, and Danny Elfman doing the music. And then it was in 3D so it just seemed wow. I know a lot of people were excited about it, and they weren't disappointed."

Dumbo himself was a unique challenge, but Burton and crew found the best way to make him come to life. He is 100 percent CGI animated, but instead of just having the actors interacting with air, they figured out a way to give him a presence. In the bonus features section of the Blu-Ray, we see that they used actor Edd Osmond as a stand-in for the baby elephant. Dressed in a green screen unitard, the cast was able to interact with Osmond in those scenes where they need to touch the elephant, like when they're giving him a bath.

Dumbo has other iconic moments and characters. Another is Casey Jr. the circus train. Casey Jr. has a ride at Disneyland, so there's no way they could leave it out. But obviously, they had the challenge of taking a cartoon train and making it real. When we asked Frey about balancing beloved moments of the original, he said "You don't want it to be too close to the original animated film, but you wanted it to feel real and have gravity to it. To see that train full scale was an exciting time and then to see it moving was amazing."

"Tim's imagination is endless. You had these two completely different worlds [Dreamland and the Medici Bros. Circus] and the way Tim felt he'd have the most control of it was to build sets. It was a tremendous challenge [to build Dreamland] but to see it all come together, every day was a new adventure and something to look forward to," Frey says of the challenges of bringing this new world to life.

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INTERVIEW: TIM BURTON & DEREK FREY TALK EYE-OPENING STORY OF MARGARET KEANE WITH ‘BIG EYES

December 22, 2014

With nominations from the Golden Globes, Independent Spirit Awards and Critics Choice Movie Awards already to its credit, there’s no question famed director Tim Burton’s latest film, “Big Eyes,” is in serious  contention for more honors as the film world draws closer to the Academy Awards. But truth be told, the twice-Oscar nominated Burton has never been interested in winning awards himself, and would rather forgo a trip to any podium to make sure the people who most deserve the accolades finally get their due.

Burton said in the case of “Big Eyes,” any awards attention means a bigger victory for Margaret Keane, 87, the subject of one of the strangest cases of art fraud the world has ever seen. Passionately brought to the big-screen by Burton and his “Ed Wood” screenwriters Scott Alexander and Larry Karaszewski, the film tells the story of the artist (Amy Adams), who in the 1950s and ’60s stood silent as her scheming husband, Walter Keane (Christoph Waltz), took credit for her world-renown paintings of big-eyed children — until she found the courage to expose the fraud.

“Scott and Larry showed Margaret the movie while I was still finishing it, and she got quite emotional,” Burton recalled for me in a recent interview. “It was interesting to hear things like, ‘Oh, my God, that was like Walter.’ Because we weren’t there and the history is sort of sketchy to us, it was gratifying to hear that we sort of captured some emotional things that really touched her. It was really nice to hear those things because she really is a special person.”

Burton largely credits Adams with capturing the spirit of Margaret Keane, who appears in a background cameo early in the film, as well as in a photo with the actor during the end credits.

“From Amy’s point of view, after meeting her, she really wanted to do her justice,” Burton said. “It’s hard, because it’s a strange character. She’s very quiet, very shy, but not a victim. She has a really strong core, and she found her voice in a way that she only could do it. It was important to me, the writers and Amy to get things right.”

Big influence

Anyone familiar with Burton’s artwork well knows that the characters in his sketches and paintings generally have big, rounded eyes with small pupils — characteristics that have been most often realized on the big-screen in the director’s stop-motion animated classics “Vincent,” “The Nightmare Before Christmas,” “Corpse Bride” and “Frankenweenie.”

And while Margaret Keane’s big-eyed subjects have large pupils, Burton said he was no doubt influenced early in his life by the artist’s distinct style. Born and raised in Burbank, California, Burton said he vividly recalled the “Children of the Damned” meets Rod Serling’s “Night Gallery”-type of spooky images by the San Francisco-based artist thought to be Walter Keane hanging everywhere.

“What probably influenced me was the mixture of emotions that you get by looking at the images,” Burton observed. “There’s sort of an eerie quality and sadness, as well as a darkness and humor and color. All those things together obviously resonated with people. There were a whole other artists that tried copying it, but couldn’t quite capture that unique strangeness of the images.”


While “Big Eyes” gives Burton the opportunity to tell Margaret Keane’s story through the medium everybody knows the filmmaker for, the material actually holds a deeper meaning for him because of his background as a sketch artist and painter.

“Big Eyes” executive producer Derek Frey — who has been collaborating with Burton since “Mars Attacks!” in 1996 — says the revelation of the depth of his friend’s work in the 2009 book “The Art of Tim Burton” (Steeles Publishing) and subsequent exhibit at the Museum of Modern Art in New York City that same year without question put Burton on the path to direct “Big Eyes.”

“‘Big Eyes’ is probably a film that he wouldn’t have made five or six years ago,” Frey told me in a separate interview. “When I started working with him, I knew of this hoard of art work he had and how prolific he was. People knew that he sketched and that he came from animation, but what they don’t realize is that he continues to draw something every single day.  It wasn’t until the MoMA show started that people started to understand that this was more than something he did when he was young. It’s something that still drives him as an artist and a filmmaker, and that is something that really drew him to the ‘Big Eyes’ story.”

Apart from connecting with Margaret Keane as an artist, Frey believes the similar reactions people had to Burton’s films and Keane’s paintings, respectfully (or disrespectfully, in the case of critics), were  major factors in his commitment to directing the film.

“Of course, he knew of Margaret Keane before getting the script and knew of her story in the 1950s and ’60s, but what drew him to the project initially was the fact that the work was embraced and consumed by the general public, but then panned by the critics. Tim could relate to that,” said Frey, referring to the uneven critiques of the director’s work over the years. “The reviews of the paintings weren’t positive, but yet the exhibits continued to break records with people coming all over the world to see them. They inspired people to go to museums or pick up a paint brush. As Tim the filmmaker, being able to relate to how critics viewed his work was definitely something very personal to him in relation to  ‘Big Eyes’ and Margaret Keane as an artist.”

The windows to Margaret’s soul

Burton said that throughout his career, he’s been fascinated by certain actors’ eyes and their ability to help tell a story, from  frequent collaborators Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter to Winona Ryder and Eva Green — the “Dark Shadows” star who has the lead role for his next film, “Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children.”

Perhaps it was a bit of a happy accident then that Adams — whom Burton cast to paint, in a cinematic sense, the big-eyed children — had a mesmerizing set of eyes herself to help reflect Keane’s view of the odd circumstances she was trapped in.

“What was so amazing to me about Amy was, by just staring, you feel so much emotion in her. At least I did,” Burton said. “You feel this sort of conflict going on inside of her without her doing anything. You feel it just by looking at her. I find those kind of actors amazing.”

Burton believes the reason Adams’ portrayal is resonating with preview audiences and yes, even with those pesky critics, is because her portrayal isn’t just merely about recreating brushstrokes. Instead, Burton captures through Adams’ eyes and the window to Margaret Keane’s soul the inner-turmoil of a woman in a time where females’ roles in society were greatly unappreciated and far under-valued.

What made the situation unique, of course, was that Margaret Keane was also an artist in  a time where women, apart from Georgia O’Keefe, were not accepted in the art world, and she was effectively being forced by Walter Keane to follow his lead without questioning his motives and churn out the big-eyed children for immense profit. The relationship — an odd dynamic of a man trying to suppress his wife’s self-esteem while she was expected keep her creative impulses intact — did not exactly reflect the typical portrait of a nuclear family 50 years ago, Burton said.

“They sort of represented the times to me in a way, where the idea of the American Dream with a husband, wife and kids was changing,” said Burton. “With the Keanes, you had this dysfunctional relationship where they were creating these weird, mutant children with these paintings. So in some way, their story represents, symbolically, something to me about the time and how it was changing from one era to another from the ’50s into the ’60s. They captured the spirit of the changing times, but in a weird way.”

Tim Lammers reviews movies weekly for “The KQ92 Morning Show” with Tom Barnard on KQRS-FM, “Paul and Jordana” with Paul Douglas and Jordana Green on WCCO Radio, “It Matters with Kelly Cordes” on WJON-AM, KLZZ-FM, “Let’s Talk Movies with Tim Lammers” with Tim Matthews on KRWC-AM, “The Tom Barnard Podcast” and “The BS Show” with Bob Sansevere, and reviews streaming programming on WCCO Radio’s “Paul and Jordana” as well. On TV, Tim has made hundreds of guest appearances on NBC affiliate KARE on the news program “KARE 11 News at 11”.

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Island Beat, “Big Screens, Big Fun” article excerpt by Katie Young Yamanaka

May 26, 2016

For filmmaker Derek Frey, the natural mystery of the Big Island itself was inspiration for his film, “Green Lake,” a horror film inspired by the Green Lake in Kapoho. 

“I’ve always been inspired by the beauty of the Big Island,” says Frey, whose home base is London. “I’ve also shot a couple of other short films in and around Hilo. It’s my favorite place to go to re-energize. 

“I had heard of the Green Lake, but I didn’t know many people who had been there. When I finally went, I was so struck by the beauty of this place, but also its power … and I felt there was a little bit of a darker side to it, too.” 

Frey started looking into local legends about the area and was prompted to do a film about preserving nature, but also about the consequences of venturing into areas you shouldn’t go. 

“It’s been classified as a horror film, but I’d like to think there is something more poetic to it as well,” he says. “I went with the vibe I felt there. I think it’s something you feel in a lot of places that are off the beaten path in Hawaii. There are areas with tremendous beauty but also that have a haunted feeling. You get into areas where you feel like you shouldn’t be there. 

“Industry is treading on a lot of these secret little places, and Green Lake is certainly a place like that. It’s important to protect and preserve it.” Frey, whose used a cast of locals from East Hawaii, says he hopes people will be entertained, get a little scared, but also tap into the emotion of the story.

“Green Lake” just started making the film festival rounds this past month. “We got into 10 or 12 festivals … and we won Best Horror Film at the LA Independent Film Festival,” Frey says. “A song that appears in the film, written by Hilo band Technical Difficulties, also won for Best Original Song. At HIFF we won a gold award and have been nominated for other awards at other festivals, too, so we’re off to a good start.” 

Frey says that while it seems like everyone is doing film festivals now, BIFF is regarded as one of the top 25 film festivals that filmmakers want to get into.

“It’s not just because the beautiful setting, too, it’s because they take great pride in what they do and so they attract great talent,” he says. “BIFF puts a lot of effort into making the festival part of the community. As a filmmaker, you just want your film to be seen, so to have it in a place where people can gather together outdoors is fantastic.”

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Keep Creating and Embrace Limited Means: Interview with Filmmaker, Derek Frey by Nathan March, Follow Magazine

February 11, 2018

When Derek Frey approached me to talk about his short film, God Came 'Round, I jumped at the chance to speak to the producer of a swag of Tim Burton's projects about his own films and how he connects with his audience. 

God Came ‘Round is a beautifully emotional comedy that has picked up a swag of film festival awards so far. What do you attribute its success to?

The story was inspired by Trever Veilleux’s poetic song lyrics which conjured for me an array of imagery.  What was initially meant to be a straightforward music video developed into something more.  Actor Deep Roy plays the lead role with great depth and morose comedy; when people see Deep in these outrageous scenarios and costumes, combined with his heartbreaking performance, I think they really identify with him.

You often introduce paranormal elements into your work. Do you feel that it’s something your audience has come to recognize and even expect in a Derek Frey film?

The paranormal is something I’ve been drawn to since I was a child.  My earliest films always contained otherworldly aspects.  It’s still something I’m passionate about and suspect fans have come to expect an element of the bizarre in my work.  I love to make people laugh as well as scare and surprise them, and the paranormal is an excellent vehicle for that duality.  The track the film is set to is a tender love song, but with some extraordinary twists – essentially the main reason I was compelled to tell God Came ‘Round.

How important do you feel it is to have a recognizable style as a filmmaker?

For me, it’s about creating projects that have a unique feel.  I do see similar aspects running across my work. I operate the camera and edit, so there’s a recognizable style in those areas which helps create a distinct tone.  Some of the most iconic filmmakers have a cohesiveness throughout their filmography – whether through tone, cinematography, score, screenplay.  I think the best directors have unique perspectives on life that make their work strong, original, and memorable.

  The design and cinematography for God Came ‘Round are rich, featuring bold colors and deep layers within the frame. Why have you made those choices?

The film is pretty short, (5 minutes), so I had to make a strong impact in a limited amount of time.  We never hear Deep’s character speak, so I wanted to bring the viewer into his world by making the visuals simple yet appealing.  He’s a guy looking for love, so I chose intense reds and greens to convey passion.  Creating this on a low budget, we relied on our locations around London to provide a richness to the story.

Most people make films that they want people to see. At what point in the process do you start to think about who the audience might be for this film and how to connect the film to that audience?

On my own films, the drive to create comes from wanting to tell a story that I’m passionate about.  It’s only natural to hope that your work finds an audience and connects with people on some level.  For me, thinking about the audience comes in wanting to show them something they haven’t seen before.  On bigger budget films I produce within the studio system, the stakes are higher and there’s definitely a greater responsibility to consider who the story may be intended for and if the audience is going to connect and be entertained.

Do you have a marketing strategy for God Came ‘Round?

The approach to marketing has been to engage fans of my previous films via social media, and fans of Deep Roy, which are many around the globe.  His work in the Star Wars and Star Trek films, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and The X-Files (to name a few) have built him an incredible fan base.  We’re also trying to target music lovers since the short is essentially a music video.  It’s been helpful to have the new album, Professor T and the East Side Shredders, to tie into the film’s release.  The festivals and awards the project has garnered have helped fuel promotion since they come with their own groups of followers as well.

  What are the different components of a marketing strategy for you?

The imagery associated with a project is something I take particular interest in and these elements serve as a good jumping off point for marketing. Posters, still frames, and behind the scenes images can really help a project stand out from others, and having strong visuals draws people in on social media and the film festival circuit.  I was fortunate to have an incredibly talented artist and friend, Giulia Rivolta, create the eye-catching poster for God Came ‘Round.

You have a massive following on Facebook. How have you built that community?

I’ve had a Lazer Film page on Facebook for some time now.  I use that as a source for people to keep informed about my latest projects, festival screenings, links to view the films, etc.  The followers have built up over that time through many projects.  There’s also a component of people who have found their way to my page through my work on larger films with Tim Burton.

  Do you find it works for individual films to have their own social media presence or do you think it’s better for the production company to have the account and then post updates about films on that account?

I have a few films currently on the film festival circuit and I enjoy promoting past endeavors – so for me, it’s more streamlined to promote and post under my Lazer Film Productions banner – on FacebookTwitterVimeo, etc.  I think for short films and music videos it has worked well for me, and I think it helps maintain a long-term relationship with fans and followers.  I also have my website, lazerfilm.com, where people can go to if they want to take a more in-depth look at my work, including my earliest films.

If you were to give one tip to emerging filmmakers about how to build a career, what would it be?

Filmmakers today are very fortunate to be creating in an age where the technology is affordable and within reach and there are so many forums to have your work seen.  My best advice is to just keep creating and embrace limited means.  Sometimes it’s those limitations that stimulate your creativity and help you to achieve something beyond what you thought was possible.

  What’s next for Derek Frey?

I’m currently in London producing a live-action version of Dumbo, directed by Tim Burton, which is a reimagining of the classic 1941 Disney film.  That will keep me well occupied through post-production.  I’m also going to direct a music video for another Professor T song, Pangea, in Hawaii at the end of this year.  Looking further ahead I’m developing a couple of feature films, including Awkward Endeavors with my frequent Philadelphia area collaborators the Minor Prophets.



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Delco-based filmmakers bring work to Philly’s FirstGlance Film Festival by Kevin Tustin, Delco News Network (excerpt)

February 11, 2018

The work of local filmmakers will be part of the official selection for the 20th FirstGlance Film Festival in Philadelphia this weekend.
Drexel Hill native son Derek Frey will have his short project screen at the local independent film festival.

God Came ‘Round stars Deep Roy — who portrayed the Oompa Loompas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory — as a lonely flower seller who falls in love with a girl, portrayed by The Grudge 3’s Aiko Horiuchi, who doesn’t like him. Roy plays all of the major players in the film including a leprechaun, God and a ghost.

“I was drawn to (the song) because the lyrics involved fantastical situations and paranormal elements,” said Frey. “A lot of these lyrics aren’t meant to be taken literally. As someone that’s always been interested in the paranormal, the pairing of (Roy) with ghosts, leprechauns and aliens was something I had to do.”

The video has a more understated relationship between Roy and Horiuchi that Frey noted. He said it was Roy’s Oompa Loompa character and Horiuchi’s titular Grudge ghost falling in love.

God Came ‘Round is Frey’s fourth FirstGlance selection following Sketch in 2001 and Motel Providence in 2015, both playing in Philadelphia, and The Upper Hand at the fest’s Los Angeles installation in 2000.

Frey may be a FirstGlance veteran, but he expressed his appreciation for the festival and the opportunity it brings to the area to see professional productions from local talent.

“For me, Delco and Philly are still very important to me, and to be recognized (at FirstGlance) is the best thing because you have an opportunity for people from your hometown to see your work,” said Frey, who made God Came ‘Round under his Lazer Film Productions banner.

Over the last few years the film landscape of Delco has been evolving. From the shooting of the Oscar-winning Silver Linings Playbook to the opening of a film and television production facility in Chester Township, and even a Comedy Central-ordered series called Delco Proper, Delco has been exposing its creative minds and locations to the world.

In addition to heading Lazer Films, Frey also leads Tim Burton Productions and has helped bring films like Big Eyes and Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children to the silver screen, but coming back to Delco to shoot films with friends keeps him grounded, and the creative juices flowing.

“People find me a bit of a curiosity because I work with Tim Burton, but what I always say to people is doing music videos and shorts around Delco helped me maintain those roots and fuels my creativity. It’s a strange dynamic,” he said.

Frey looks to shoot a film next year in Delco.

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Producer Derek Frey Talks Tim Burton, Disney and Making an Elephant Fly.  
By Jason Gorber for That Shelf.

July 5, 2019

Derek Frey has been a collaborator with Tim Burton since the mid-90s where he began as an assistant on set and has risen to be the head of Tim Burton Productions. Their latest collaboration, the live-action remake of Dumbo, recently arrived on home video. We had the chance to discuss his collaboration with the iconoclastic director, Derek’s own rise within the company, and the challenges of avoiding repeating oneself while still drawing on the skills and expectations that a lifetime of films from this director has produced.

Your personal journey in Hollywood story is fascinating.  Could you talk about initially working with Tim Burton and then developing into one of the core members of his team?

I was very fortunate. After college I moved out to LA and worked on a television show for a while. I always was a huge fan of Tim’s – I remember seeing Pee-wee’s Big Adventure in the drive-in theatre, it was a double feature of Goonies and Pee-wee’s Big Adventure, and I went to see Goonies – I didn’t even know what Pee-wee’s Big Adventure was – and I remember leaving, thinking, what was that movie?  From that point I was really curious about who Tim Burton was. Then Beetlejuice and Scissorhands – I was in love with his films! I was very lucky to land a job as a runner, or a gopher, in his company. That was around the time they were just going in to shoot, so my first film experience in Hollywood was on the set of Mars Attacks. I don’t think you’ll ever see a film with a cast like that again, and the spirit on that movie was just so much fun, that I look back and realize just how lucky I was for that to be my first film experience in Los Angeles.

Over the years I just kind of stuck at it at [Burton’s] company and worked my way up. I kind of went where the river took me, from each project. It really doesn’t feel like as much time has gone by as has, but it’s been one of the great pleasures of my life to be a part of the journey of his films. Each film is its own new experience and the people he works with are like family.

That being said, as producer you’ve got to have an objective, a third person point of view.  What’s it like needing to say no to someone that started as a hero?

I’ve always worked really hard to be someone who can help Tim see his vision to its fullest. Obviously there are times on different projects where you may have to find a different way around that, but I’ve always been somebody who tries to be honest with him, even if sometimes it’s a hard truth. I will say on Dumbo I was very fortunate because we’re working with Tim’s family of collaborators and they are the best at what they do and they’re very responsible. Tim’s a very responsible filmmaker, and they know what the parameters are going in to making a film like this. We worked very hard to keep within those parameters, and it also went in line with what Tim wanted to make in this film.  He obviously wants it to be something amazing and sweep you into another world, but he also wanted it to be intimate and wanted the focus to remain on Dumbo. He didn’t want you to get lost into this world.

Sometimes in films there’s so much focus on the world, and that’s when the budget gets out of control and you lose focus on the story.  On this film you’ve got people like Rick Heinrichs and Colleen Atwood, they know the drill, they’ve been through it before. They’re going to deliver what Tim wants within the means that we have to make the film.  So on this one, I was lucky.

It’s become more and more rare in some ways to have a director with as much vision, sort of the old school way we think of a director, when we hear “A Tim Burton film”, we certainly have expectations of what it’s going to be. But in the same way, we have expectations about what is going to be a Disney film, what is going to be about Dumbo, you’re navigating all of these expectations.  Could you talk about the joys of that, the short hand of “this is going to be a Tim Burton production” so you can bring the family together, but also the challenges, as a creative producer, to actually bring these to light in a way that doesn’t feel redundant or repetitive to what’s come before?

I think a lot of that came from Ehren Kruger, the screenwriter.  He pitched this to the studio before Tim was involved, the idea of doing a reimagining of Dumbo and bringing it into a live action world. In the original the audience learns that Dumbo flies and that’s where the original film kind of ends. Ours picks up from that point about a third of the way through.  It kind of answers the question – now that the world knows there’s an elephant that can fly, what’s going to happen? It’s one of those age-old tales where he’s exploited, and then what are going to do to save this elephant from this situation? A lot of that came from Ehren, and then he worked a lot of the things that people love about the animated film, nods to that.

Out of the classic Disney characters it seems Dumbo may speak to some of Tim’s own narrative proclivities.


At its core, Dumbo is an outsider, one of the original outsiders in the Disney universe. That goes in line with a lot of Tim’s iconic characters within his filmography, so for me, it felt like just a perfect match of those things. The original has some heavier, darker moments. I knew Tim would be able to put his spin on it.  I was actually surprised to find that while visually the film is incredible I think it’s like nothing he’s made before. I think the movie looks stunning, I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s darker than the original animated film, there’s actually a lot of colour in it, and a lot of life, and a lot of humour in it as well.


Burton started as this Disney animator that couldn’t quite fit within the rigid structures of Disney.  There’s a rigid, much more staid version of what counts as a “Disney film”. Here Tim is, working within the system, with Disney giving him the freedom and the liberty to make the film very much his own. It makes the fact that it’s a theme park being destroyed take on metatextual significance. Do you guys have these kinds of discussions, of the bigger connections to Burton’s general body of work, or is that just stuff we do on the outside while you’re just trying to make sure you’re making the day and getting all of the pieces together? 

I think it’s much more of a subconscious thing for Tim. I don’t think he’s even consciously thinking about it, but he’s bringing to the table his experiences, his life, his relationship with the studio. They’re an undercurrent, so people pick up on them. I personally find them quite amusing when people do pick up on these things because sometimes they’re something that we haven’t really thought of, or there’s kind of a different spin on it. For Ehren, the screenwriter, Dreamland, it was kind of based on the Coney Island-like ittle parks, near the big city. I think some of the critics were making the parallels like, oh, it’s like Disney land, the D, the Dreamland. They’re not conscious things that we think about, but I definitely do after the fact. I do see Dumbo as kind of a personification of Tim to a degree.  Tim was someone that worked at Disney, and then at a certain point he kind of went on his own path, because he felt that he maybe didn’t fit in there, and then Disney kind of caught him back. They brought Nightmare Before Christmas, which was something definitely unlike anything they had created before, and they weren’t sure about it at the time. So it’s something quite interesting when you look at it from that angle of Tim being an original Disney outsider as well.

Burton’s such an iconic director and has such an iconic vision for much of the stuff he does, but by being so, inevitably artists repeat themselves. On the one hand, the positive we talked about, is that it brings this incredible history. On the other hand, you want to be cautious that you’re making something original.  Could you talk about the challenge of that, of making sure that this new project, you’re not just using the same old tropes, especially given the fact that it’s based on a classic which itself? Are there meetings where you’re like uh, I feel like we’ve done this before, let’s try a different direction to stretch ourselves?

Absolutely.  I would say first from the approach of making this one, we took Tim’s mandate – he kept using the term “grand intimacy” and wanted it grounded in a heightened reality.  He didn’t want our human characters to be running around digital sets with a computer generated elephant, he wanted it to look real. Tim wanted you to question where that line was between what we were creating practically and what we were creating digitally. So much work went into that because it was something that maybe had been approached differently in the past, like for instance Alice in Wonderland, with one human character within a complete CGI playground. There’s a certain look to that, and that worked for that kind of a film, and we could have gone that approach in this movie. But Tim chose to build the sets, to surround our characters in this beautiful, rich world. It should feel like it’s a real place that existed in a real time, in 1918 or 1919, but it has a certain heightened reality to it, so that when we put our elephant into this environment, he should look real, but it should feel grounded in a certain reality.  From an aesthetic point of view, Tim approached this based off of all of the experiences he had had on films in the past, whether they were good or bad. He took all of the knowledge and the technology to make this the best-looking film. From a story standpoint, there were definitely discussions where maybe there’d be certain action sequences or points where it’s, like, you know what? We kind of did this before, let’s try to do something a little bit different here. Those things definitely happen, you definitely have reoccurring things that maybe you’ve done before. Tim never gets involved in anything just for the sake of redoing it again, so he’s constantly challenging himself to try something new. And although he works with the same people quite often – and I think people think oh, it’s quite easy, it’s less work – nothing could be further from the truth.  People work with Tim repeatedly because they enjoy that challenge, and they know each film is going to be pushing things to the limit again, myself included. We love that, we love that challenge.

Can you talk about one instance where you’re reading the script and you’re thinking oh my God, how are we going to do this, or are we at a point now in terms of making films, where basically what’s on the page can be done somehow or other, given current technology?

That kind of ties in to what I was just saying where, yes, you can do anything these days and pull it off. But because Tim approached this film from very much a practical standpoint, where he wanted to build as much as possible, that kind of locks you in to a certain way of making the film. You approach it from a practical, old-time filmmaking level. Michael Keaton mentioned a couple of times walking on to these sets that it made you feel like why you make films in the first place, it swept you in to the world.  People don’t make films like this anymore. I think it’s a good thing because it made you kind of feel like there were limits. Maybe when you approach a film and you feel like there aren’t any limits, that’s not always a good thing.  It’s good when there’s certain restrictions because it makes you think about things from a practical level and then makes it more believable from an audience’s standpoint when they see what’s happening on screen.  You can kind of process it in your own reality register. If you just kind of do anything you want, it kind of just goes into outer space and then you lose the audience.

For the sake of Dumbo, we had to make an audience believe that an elephant can fly. That had to remain the most fantastical element of the film, and everything else had to feel like it could be possible.

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ONE REELER INTERVIEW WITH GOD CAME 'ROUND DIRECTOR DEREK FREY

February 11, 2018

OR: What was the inspiration for your film?


DF: Trever Veilleux’s songwriting and poetic lyrics were the inspiration. I’ve been a fan of his music for a while now and this song spoke to me visually. I first collaborated with his band Technical Difficulties in 2001 on a music video for the song Sex is Easier. I listened to an advance copy of his new album Professor T and the East Side Shredders and the track “God Came ‘Round” jumped out instantly as something that could turn into a unique, funny, and touching music video. It’s an incredible album and I look forward to creating more videos to accompany it soon.

OR: When did you conceive the idea for your film and how long did it take before it was realized?

DF: I first listened to the album and heard the song during a long-haul flight this past April. I reached out to actor Deep Roy a few days later and he agreed to be part of the project immediately. We filmed over 2 days and 2 nights in late May around London and I finished up the edit by the end of June. From start to finish I think it is the quickest project I have ever been part of.

OR: What was the most challenging aspect of working in a short film format?

DF: Each and every shot counts. You have less time to tell a story so your opportunity for impact is condensed. For this project I knew storyboards would help immensely so I created as many as I could as a guide in our short production time.

OR: What was the most challenging aspect of your production?

DF: It was an extremely smooth shoot. There were many things that could have gone wrong that fortunately didn’t. It was still a challenging shoot and the number of setups and costume changes required kept us on our toes throughout. 

OR: Do you have any advice for first-time filmmakers? 

DF: Just get out there and create. There are so many stories to tell and these days there’s nothing to hold you back. Let your passion guide you and always have a camera by your side.

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And the winners are...2012 Big Island Film Festival exceeds all expectation. Hawaii Tribune-Herald.

June 6, 2012

The 2012 Big Island Film Festival gathered directors, producers, actors and film critics from around the world over Memorial Day weekend to watch, reflect, and admire award winning short, feature length, and foreign films.

The seventh annual celebration of the moving picture art form, hosted at the Mauna Lani Resort, welcomed over 2,200 people and raised $4,200 for the Fisher Tripler Army Medical Center. Local and state honors were award to both festival directors and filmmakers. Jan and Leo Sears, founders of the BIFF, received an appreciation plaque from rep Elisa Leonelli, from the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, who was attending the festival to evaluate foreign language films for possible Golden Globe consideration. Among the 12 winning category awards of the BIFF, announced on Monday, May 28, Big Island residents Kelly Winsa and Peter Henderson’s “Hi, Honey” received the Audience Choice for Short Film and O`ahu’s producer/director/writer Alexander Bocchieri’s “Flat” won for Best Hawai`i Short.